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  1. Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities My interest in Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory (which extends back some 15 years) has led me to the following general observations ref the collectors market for Full Cavalier sets that has developed in the United States and Europe over this period. I offer the following as my personal observations and welcome your comments/opinions. The Hierarchy of Collectability (defined by dealers' asking prices for a Full Cavalier set ranked from most expensive to least expensive) as of 24 February 2006: 1) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with accompanying Full Cavalier award booklet that includes photo of recipient, official military commissariat stamp on photo and date when booklet was issued plus all standard entries. 2) Same as 1) above but the photo does not have the official military commissariat stamp and the booklet lacks an entry for date of issue. 3) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with accompanying Full Cavalier award booklet but award booklet is missing the photo, official military commissariat stamp and date booklet was issued. 4) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with accompanying Ordenskaya Knizhka with or without photo. 5) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with accompanying Voenniy Bilet. 6) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with research e.g. Special Awards Card for HSU and Full Cavalier and/or Standard Awards Card and/or copies of Glory Award Citations. 7) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals that stand alone without accompanying documentation of any sort. NOTES: 1) Over the past 15 years I have encountered a few category 1) Full Cavalier sets that also included the associated Ordenskaya Knizhka (OK). These occasions have been far and few between. In those instances where I have seen them, all of the other accompanying awards (e.g. Red Star or Medal for Valor) were never included/available with the set. For this reason, I have not included a separate ranking for category 1) - 3) Full Cavalier sets that might also include the OK since, in my judgment, dealers don't necessarily adjust the price upwards unless the orders/medals identified in the OK are also with the group. 2) The above ranking does not consider Full Cavalier sets that include duplicate Orders of Glory in their make up. While the duplicate(s) may be original in every respect, their presence markedly detracts from the sets' historic/monetary value. BOTTOM LINE: My observation is that dealers' asking prices for a Full Cavalier set generally follow the above guideline. I look forward to your thoughts. Regards, slava1stclass
  2. Gents, A single/loose OGI with its associated Full Cavalier booklet recently sold in the former Soyuz for slightly over $9,500.00 - a solid price and that in the former Soyuz. It would be interesting to see what price would have been attained had the associated OGII and OGIII been available/included. As noted throughout this thread, in the very early days following the collapse of the USSR, many Full Cavalier sets were broken up. This was due in part to the misguided notion that the OGI alone (given its gold content) would have greater appeal/realize a greater profit in the West. Regards, slava1stclass
  3. Gents, This thread has come a very long way over the past 12 and one-half years. Having just surpassed 50,000 unique views and with almost 700 replies, it is by far the most popular non-pinned active thread in the entire GMIC Russia forum - thank you. Here's to the next 50,000 views! Regards, slava1stclass
  4. Gents, Should any doubt remain, and as some fellow GMIC members are already aware, this set's legitimacy has also been confirmed on a sister Russian forum. Regards, slava1stclass
  5. The information and images associated with this group were found online. Yes, it is possible. I would think the orders/medals seen in the "on location" image were cleaned under field conditions before the image was taken. The serial numbers for the OGII, OGIII and BM all match those awarded to Vyatkin. We know that Vyatkin's unit fought in Rathenow. Relatedly, Vyatkin's OGI (serial number 1308) was offered for sale on a site in the former Soyuz in early October 2016. The last bid price of which I was aware was $7,300.00. With the rest of his award group's recent discovery, who knows, maybe a group reunion is in the works. One may assume Vyatkin received official duplicates for his OGII, OGIII and BM after the war owing to the originals' loss during combat. The podvig site confirms he was awarded the Medal for the Defense of Moscow. The Medal for the Defense of Moscow seen in Egorka's above post is a replacement. Regards, slava1stclass
  6. Gents, In the war's final days, Vyatkin's unit was engaged in action as part of the Berlin Offensive Operation. His unit fought through Wriezen, Bernau, Glienecke (Glienecke/Nordbahn), Hennigsdorf, Elstal, Brandenburg and Rathenow (where the above orders and medals were discovered). On May 8, 1945, his combat trail ended on the banks of the Elbe River in the vicinity of Tangermünde. Vyatkin was also awarded an ORS on March 20, 1945. Evidently, he had not yet been presented with his ORS and OGI at the time the above awards were lost. Regards, slava1stclass
  7. Gents, Score one for metal detecting. This OGII, OGIII, BM and Defense of Moscow medal group was found within the past six months just outside Rathenow, Germany (Brandenburg state). It was located under a tree in a forest. The group belonged to Full Cavalier Corporal Sergey L. Vyatkin. He was a reconnaissance scout/forward observer assigned to the 432nd Howitzer Artillery Regiment (1st Belorussian Front) when recommended and approved for his OGI on March 24, 1945. Vyatkin survived the war and died in 1986. How his orders and medals came to be located under that tree is unclear. Regards, slava1stclass
  8. slava1stclass

    Wound Stripe Wonder

    To all: This gentleman took a lickin' and kept on tickin'. Regards, slava1stclass
  9. Gents, Five days prior to his OGI being approved on June 29, 1945, Senior Sergeant Писклов (Pisklov) marched in the historic June 24, 1945, Victory Parade on Red Square, Moscow. He marched in the 1st Ukrainian Front's formation. As addressed in my book, he numbers among the relatively few Full Cavaliers who marched in the Victory Parade. This fact certainly adds another unique dimension to this set. Regards, slava1stclass
  10. Gents, Sold yesterday on the well-known auction site for a cool $6,111.00. Regards, slava1stclass
  11. Gents, Price was lowered $505.00 and is currently set at $8,990.00. Regards, slava1stclass
  12. Gents, Interestingly, this set did not sell or was pulled from the auction at some point. Regards, slava1stclass
  13. Gents, Currently available at auction in the former Soyuz. Order of Glory awards to aviation personnel tend to command a premium - even more so in cases of double awards let alone those to Full Cavaliers. Senior Sergeant N. Ya. Pavlenko was an IL-2 Shturmovik aerial gunner. He was awarded the OPWII, OGII and OGIII. He was credited with two confirmed shoot downs - a Fw-190 (cited in his OGIII recommendation) and a Me-109 (cited in his OPWII recommendation). He flew with the 637th Assault (Ground-attack) Aviation Regiment, 227th Assault Aviation Division. The current high bid for this low serial number set is approximately $675.00. Regards, slava1stclass
  14. Gents, This well-worn OGII to a Full Cavalier is currently available for sale in the former Soyuz. You can detect just the faintest traces of gilding on the central medallion. The Full Cavalier was a junior sergeant 45mm anti-tank gun gunner assigned to a rifle regiment. Sadly, this is another example of a Full Cavalier set being broken up with little regard to preserving the complete set of three decorations. This set's OGI was on the market as a stand-alone piece within the past five years. Regards, slava1stclass
  15. Christian, He was a rifleman serving as a private in a rifle regiment/division subordinate to the 69th Army. His final OG was awarded in late April 1945 for action during the Berlin Strategic Offensive Operation. Awarded an OGII and two OGIIIs during the war, his second OGIII was amended to an OGI in 1951 at which time he attained Full Cavalier status. Regards, slava1stclass
  16. Gents, It's that time of year once again - "The New York Sale" auction is scheduled for January 9-11, 2018. This year's auction includes one Full Cavalier set to a Guards Junior Sergeant T-34 tank mechanic-driver. He was erroneously awarded three OGIIIs during the war. On August 19, 1955, two of his three OGIIIs were amended to an OGII and an OGI and he officially attained Full Cavalier status - 10 years after the war ended. He was also awarded a BM during the war. Full Cavalier sets to tank crew members are far and few between. The opening bid is set at $12,500.00. Regards, slava1stclass
  17. Gents, This OGI to a Full Cavalier recently sold in the former Soyuz for $8,500.00. He was a senior sergeant artillery gun crew commander assigned to an artillery regiment in a rifle division. His OGI was awarded for valor in combat in Poland in late winter/early spring 1945. Regards, slava1stclass
  18. slava1stclass

    Wound Stripe Wonder

    Gents, Until happening upon these images, I had not realized the Russian Federation Armed Forces had reintroduced the wound stripe. HRF Senior Praporshchik Grigoriy S. Kirichenko wears the gold wound stripe (severe wound) and HRF Lt Colonel Alexandr L. Sterzhantov wears the red wound stripe (light wound). Each was awarded the Hero of the Russian Federation title (June 21, 1995, and September 25, 1999, respectively) for action against Chechen insurgents in the North Caucasus. Regards, slava1stclass
  19. Gents, Another great photograph from the May 12, 1945, award ceremony - it's the first time I've seen this image. In this picture, GEN Patton presents Lt Gen Zakhvatayev with a U.S Third Army unit flag. This photograph recently sold on the well-known auction site for $49.95. Regards, slava1stclass
  20. The following U.S. Army decorations were awarded to Red Army personnel for heroism or meritorious service in World War II: Distinguished Service Cross (DSC) - 53 Distinguished Service Medal (DSM) - 20 Silver Star (SS) - 119 Legion of Merit (LOM) - 321 By degree: - Chief Commander - 7* - Commander - 35 - Officer - 85 - Legionnaire - 194 Bronze Star Medal (BSM) - 40** Notes: *Documentation is available to verify the award to MSU Zhukov. Awards of the LOM in the degree of Chief Commander to MSUs Govorov, Meretskov, Rokossovskiy, Vasilevskiy as well as General of the Army Eremenko and Chief Marshal of Aviation Novikov, however, are based solely on photographic evidence. **Information available in an OMSA publication suggests that the number of BSMs awarded to Red Army personnel was higher. This is likely true since many BSMs were awarded at the U.S. Army corps level and below. The number above reflects only those BSMs to Red Army personnel authorized by War Department General Orders. I came across no hard evidence to confirm that either the Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC) or Soldier's Medal (SM) was awarded to Red Army personnel. This same OMSA publication, however, indicates that three DFCs and one oak leaf cluster (OLC) to the DFC as well as one SM were awarded. As with awards of the BSM, it is also likely that the number of LOMs awarded to Red Army personnel may be higher for the reasons cited above. Should you wish to confirm the award of any one of the above U.S. Army decorations to a specific Red Army soldier, please contact me via private message. I will be happy to check my list and furnish specific information concerning the awarding authority. The U.S. Army Distinguished Service Medal awarded to top Soviet ace Pokryshkin (Triple HSU) is clearly seen in the below photo. Regards, slava1stclass
  21. Ferdinand, Your above comment is certainly spot on. Huge credit to the Russian Ministry of Defense and other entities for the monumental feat of bringing to light primary source material that otherwise would have been too difficult for most to access. Credit, too, to the web-design team responsible for the database search tools which allow for tailored, precise and rapid queries. I've found very few instances of incorrect data input (resulting in bad search results) as they built/loaded the site e.g., actual NL on podvig is for a BM, however, the podvig web page graphics/info for that award indicate it's for a CSM. My only wish is that the powers to be would finally include all the NLs for the 15 MAY 46 PSS decree - in my case for the Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory. While HSU NLs associated with the 15 MAY 46 decree are available on podvig (based on the official awarding stamp on these HSU NLs' reverse side), those for the Full Cavaliers approved via the 15 MAY 46 PSS decree are not. I find this odd especially considering the fact other post-1945 PSS decrees e.g., for wound awards, are available. Regards, slava1stclass
  22. Gents, In response to many requests, my book is now also available in paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/197349860X?ref_=pe_870760_150889320 Regards, slava1stclass
  23. Gents, Currently available for sale on a dealer's site. This exceptionally pristine OGI was issued close to 25 years after the war ended to replace an erroneously-issued second OGIII to the same soldier. The recipient was a corporal assigned to a rifle regiment with duties as a rifleman and later submachine gunner. He was also awarded the ORS and two BMs during the war. Price: $9,495.00. Regards, slava1stclass
  24. slava1stclass

    Pattons Soviet Awards

    Gents, This image is from a set of 15 photographs currently for sale on the well-known auction site. They depict a reciprocal award ceremony and reception involving the United States Army 80th Infantry Division and an unknown Soviet unit in Liezen, Austria in mid-May 1945. In this image MG Horace L. McBride, Commanding General, 80th Infantry Division, is seen wearing both the Order of Aleksandr Nevskiy and an unknown class of the Order of the Patriotic War on his uniform jacket's right pocket flap. The unidentified Soviet Major General wears the Legion of Merit in the degree of Legionnaire (confirmed via a separate photograph) although it is difficult to discern in this image. Regards, slava1stclass
  25. Gents, These two images are from a set of 15 photographs currently for sale on the well-known auction site. They depict a reciprocal award ceremony and reception involving the United States Army 80th Infantry Division and an unidentified Soviet unit in Liezen, Austria in mid-May 1945. The first image depicts two Soviet officers at the post-award ceremony reception who had been awarded the U.S. Army Bronze Star Medal. The second image is a first for me. The Soviet female lieutenant wears the U.S. Army Combat Infantryman Badge below her Bravery Medal. Clearly this resulted from a soldier-to-soldier token badge swap and was not officially awarded. Regards, slava1stclass