Biro

It is indeed the genuine article Bernhard.

Congratulations on a fine I.Wagner - an original and scarce cross and very sought after even with a repaired catch like this one has.

Nice!

Marshall.

I recently picked this up from a guy on WAF. But held in hand, something doesn't seem quite right. Any opinions will be appreciated.

It looks reasonable from a distance but you'll need much better pics of the front and back, in focus, against a background that is any colour BUT black before anyone could be certain.

Being a humble WW1 EK2 - which are plentiful and cheap - I'd be surprised if it was no good, but of course it is possible. Perhaps you could help by identifying what it is that "doesn't seem quite right"?

Marshall

... If I recall correctly, an award-quality EK I was flat, not vaulted. That had to be a piece for wear on a gala dress uniform, since the extra hooks would secure it with an extra set of beckets (cloth loops to ensure correct placement and security of medals and badges on a uniform) and prevent it from getting lost during vigorous movement....

Yes correct. This is definitely a luxury private purchase piece not an awarded EK.

Unfortunately, this is not a good one. A reasonably well known fake 1813 EK2.

There IS a good 1813 EK2 that exhibits (from a distance) a similar looking crown... but this is definitely not it - and yes, the core is what gives it away..

Sorry

My eyes are old and tired... is there a name on the pin?

Thanks

Chris

Wow. Old thread bought to life!

Yes Chris .... GODET.BERLIN

Not an original Wagner 1870 EK, therefore the oxide should be of no concern to anyone. In fact it's fair to say it probably comes with the territory in a 'J Wagner' fake of this quality.

Same bad fake as Stogie posted earlier.

M.

A well known fake Rick...

Everything is bad, core fangs and especially maker mark.

Marshall

Great example Danny - well done!

Marshall

...But how do you know she was Jewish? Her husband was a Kantor, which could be from any Religion...

I would be guessing, but given the name was 'Rosenthal' and the disdain with which inter-faith marriage was (and is) treated by the Jewish, I would say even if she was not Jewish born, she would have been a conversion to 'the faith'..

Great group made 100 times more special by the paperwork!

Marshall

A nice original 'A Type' core.

Congratulations.

Marshall

Thanks so much Glen.

Marshall

True, some things are missing so it probably isn't complete. But what is interesting is what is shown, the Kampfwagenabzeichen and the PLM.

A Grand Cross of the Iron Cross there as well...

Especially interesting to see ANY PLM offered, let alone that particular style of PLM... it's not their more typical one-sided ceremonial 'Godet' style, nor is it the 'S&L' style which has baroque suspension, not pie wedge.

Fascinating - thanks Don...

Marshall

Hi Gents

Wondering if anyone has any more information on the career and/or awards of one "Generalmajor von Unruhe"... (Commander of the Kaiser-Garde-Alexander-Regiments?)

This is all I can find http://www.historischer-service.de/preussen/regiment/garde/gg1.html which shows him as Kommandeure of Regiment Nr.1 in 1884.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks kindly

Marshall

Hi gents.

Might pay to do a quick re-read of this thread http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3470&st=0&p=33458&hl=prinzen%20&fromsearch=1&#entry33458

Cheers

Marshall

Back away slowly..... then run.

A known fake.

Wonderfull and rare prinzen EK2 Andreas - congratulations.

The whole group is stunning.

Marshall

A very nice example of a slightly later produced 1813 EK2 Mika. I think you have the date about right.

Congratulations..

Marshall

Nooooooooooooooo. What throws things off here is absence of a long service award.

I can't turn up any match on a first run through.

Thanks for trying Rick!!

Appreciated.

Marshall

Normally I'm sceptical of ID'ing mini chains - but this one dosen't look messed with...

Any of you who dwelleth in dark caves with rolls and candlelight care to try and pin a recipient to this little fellah?

cheers

Marshall

Impressive. It is possible to see the back please

Christophe

Sure, Christophe...

Some beautiful mini's on this thread.

A recent addition of mine...

Marshall

Great catch Micha!!

Now you just need one of these bad boys to put it in...

Marshall

Very nice Eric - congratulations!!

Marshall

...I believe that the 1914 EK repetition bar was added. And, I believe that this particular item (1914 EK repetition bar) is a modern forgery [no matter what is listed in a nice big hard cover color book (1st or 2nd revised edition) in English to the contrary]. One would have more luck finding a chicken with teeth!...."SPM"

Thanks for the close-ups of the 1914 EK repetition bar Scott.

I totally agree with SPM - the repeat bar is a modern forgery. I've studied these long and hard - and have gone into quite some detail here in the past about what characteristics to look for on a dubious one.

Sadly, this is another one of them... too easy to find, too easy to add...

Please, whatever you do, ensure this one does not get back into.. 'circulation'.

All the best

Marshall