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      1870 EK1 Price

      in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross

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      It makes absolutely no sense to me that a FAKE would be made under J. WAGNER with 14 LOTIG!!!

      How many members have seen the J. Wagner with the 14 lotig???????????......Rod

      Hello Rod

      I am certainly not on some crusade against your piece and have given you my opinion for what it's worth already.

      It's important though that you are aware that fakes baring spurious marks including J. Wagner 14 Lotig DO exist.

      Check this link... http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...bayphotohosting

      The current offer for this piece on ebay? - 34 Euros...

      Marshall

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      1870 Cased EK1

      in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross

      Posted · Edited by Biro

      As Greg has pointed out, the oblique viewing angles are a deliberate attempt to hide what is in essence a simple customised fake of the type often seen stamped with... 'J Wagner & Sohn'... an example of which can be seen in this current ebay auction..

      http://cgi.ebay.de/Eisernes-Kreuz-1-Klasse...1QQcmdZViewItem

      An absolute pile of shite that must be avoided IMO.

      This guy is dangerous :mad:

      Marshall

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      Strange 1914 EK1.....

      in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross

      Posted · Edited by Biro

      In addition to his 1813 EK1, we see this guy - "E-Gliderider" - offering the age old combination of 9th Bead Fake 1870 EK2, non-serif 25 yr oaks, and Joh Wagner & Sohn WHSpange on a single ribbon.

      If ever there was an ensemble to avoid like the plague, this is it folks...

      Please don't waste your money on another one of these combo's...

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      1870 EK1 Price

      in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross

      Posted

      When you say the piece does not do it for you, are you refering to it's authenticity, or is it just something that doesn't appeal to you from a collecting standpoint?

      Hi Steve

      OK - since you asked, I'll reiterate it's my personal view only and it's very simple.

      I'm a firm believer that only crosses marked 'I Wagner' are the bonefide Wagner issued pieces from the period, and therefore by default, I can see no logic behind a 'J Wagner' stamp being a concurrently used, period maker mark by the same Wagner firm in the 1870's.

      Besides, I've just seen too many fakes using the exact 'J Wagner' designate on this cross above to be comfortable with this as a legitimate period maker mark anymore.

      And I'm not alone... the subject was discussed here http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...1870+EK1+makers by myself and others some time ago. I would encourage you to take some time and read it carefully - some interesting theories were raised.

      And for the record, the cross referred to in post #30 of that thread is the one pictured above...

      Just my thoughts...

      Marshall

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      1870 EK1 Price

      in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross

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      ....I don't have buyer's regret but I am curious if the $2,800 price I paid was completely out of line in terms of today's market value. My feelings will not be hurt by your comments as I am satisfied with my purchase...

      Hi Rod

      Is it this one?

      Although personally this piece does not do it for me, $2800 is not over the top for a nice period 1870 EK1 that you trust.

      As my friend Tony J alluded above - the price is practically irrelevant...

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      TR 1914 Grand Cross

      in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross

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      A nice representative example of an otherwise impossible to obtain order Gordon. More-so because many of the T/R examples we see do NOT have the eyelet sunken into the frame (period originals from WW1 do). The display GK offered by Herman Historica in their last auction (listed as a 1920's 'Godet') whilst creditable, does not have this feature.

      Have you deciphered the hallmarks?

      It sure doesn't exibit the quality one would expect of a Grand Cross made by Godet,even if it is a museum copy.

      Jim

      Worth considering that even Wagners period examples of this order (like Mackensen's below) are not exactly works of art!!

      Marshall

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      1870 EK1 by Godet

      in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross

      Posted

      A wonderfull, rare and totally genuine period addition to the collection Gordon.

      Even nicer for the condition and the CORRECT Godet marking for this era. Congratulations.

      '39 frame Dan?? Not on your life - this type as worn by the Kaiser himself - and one of the few you 1870 EK1 hunters should target!!

      Marshall

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