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Hi Greg,

Thanks for posting your badge. As I expected a nice fine original, just unissued (I haven't seen any evidence that they have been copied yet but I do like to check just in case ). All of these are hard to find & quite rare, issued pieces are doubly hard to locate.......

Here are a few that I've been lucky to find recently. All of these were issued (to different contestants).

Forgot to say, yes the badge was generally (but not always) worn on the right breast pocket. Which book do have which shows the badge?

Cheers

Don

Sorry for the delay Greg, been away in Munich for a few days.

Below is the requested image, #1185 is an un-issued piece I'm afraid, the theory is these were either picked up by passing GI's or released onto the market after being found in storage. A majority of these badges in collections are from this "hoard", issued pieces are very hard to find. The higest issued 3 year number is in the #801. Do you have a picture of badge #1185 please?

Following many enquiries with archives throughout Germany since July last year, I've now managed to obtain further lists of Meistersch?tze badge numbers for the previous years.

I now have the names of all those who received badges in 1941. Unfortunately it seems that only the names, not the badge numbers were recorded in that year. However following hours of painstaking cross referencing, I have managed to find the badge numbers for 431 of the 748 names I have recorded for 1941 using documents from the following years.

I also have all of the recorded badge numbers for the years 1942 through 1944 plus the complete list of numbers for the issued 3 year badges!!!!

Great photo Terry.

is it illegal to scan the photo

Providing you give full credit to the book & author that you've scanned the image from it will be OK.

Very little seems to be known about either the organisation or the badges. What little is known is generlly taken from Cone's book "One People, One Reich", however it's now agreed that the book is not accurate in all areas. A good example is the Heims Ins Reich badge which he describes as a sympathisers badge, when in fact it's the membership badge of the Luxembourg fascist party "Volksdeutsche Bewegung" (VDB).

He also states that no postwar examples have been found with the name Saarlautern on them, which may have been correct at the time, but certainly isn't now (see below). It's certainly a badge/organisation that needs further study, but where to begin? Possibly the German archives?

Here is a fake Saarlautern badge, the pin plate gives it away, however with aging & the correct style plate someone purly using Cone's guide could possibly be taken in. I can't tell from the image whether the lettering is raised or not.....

The obverse. The enamelling looks poor & the pebbling indistict, but this could be the lighting. If the seller of this pin wasn't convinced it was original & hadn't refused to drop his price I would have picked it up for closer study.....

Hi Perce,

Well it's a shame that it has to live all on it's own. If you get time, perhaps you'll post the cap badge in our "Fascism in Europe" forum, it could do with some Italian threads

Cheers

Don

Do you have any more gen on the fascist youthbadge- where was it worn? Was it sewn onto a sidecap?

Pete is correct that it's a youth badge. In particular it's a cap badge for the groups Balilla (8-11 year olds), Balilla Moschettieri (11-13 yrs), Avanguardisti (13-15 yrs) & Avanguardisti Moschettieri (15-17). The Giovani Fascisti (18-21 yrs) had a different cap badge I believe.

The badge was sewn to the Fez .

Cheers

Don

Balilla

Avanguardisti

Third. Tall think letters on the maker mark again, but pebbling a lot more regimented. Still a different die to James' as can be seen by the pebbles in the top arm of the Swaz......

This one is very tired & dark, I've lightened it considerably to show markings.

Second. Tall thin letters on maker mark like James' but pebbling far more haphazard (couldn't get it lighter to see easier I'm afraid).

Picked up some of these the other week, all slightly different. First one fairly close to Robert's on the maker mark, but the pebbling looks a little different.

Some nice examples there James, thanks for sharing them with us.

James,

I wonder whether it is a "late" transitional piece? i.e. for once they got the reverse right (where we would usually see just RZM 72 on a transitional) but didn't get the obverse right..........

The distinctive M code looks OK for a 72

As requested by Robert, as side by side comparison, the angle of Bruno's picture makes the shape a little odd. I've lighted the contrast on the obverse images to allow the words & letters to be seen better.

I wouldn't say the M is lazy, for this the legs have to be at more of an angle. Reverse wise there are diferences but not as noticable as the obverse. A similar font has been used for the M code which is a good sign, however as has been pointed out the obverse is far from as perscribed by the regulations for an RZM piece.

Cheers

Don

Here's my pin

Good question Pete!

I have one as well as a "thank you card". On some sites it's often linked to help for the East. I do know that the blue cornflower was worn as a covert symbol of support in Austria for the NS when the Swastika was banned. Whether it's to do with that I do not know....

Cheers

Don

Indeed the last two are not tinnies. The DJ although referred to by collectors as the membership badge, I'm told is actually the cap badge of the Deutsche Jaegerschaft

The second is a sort of Leistungsabzeichen I believe, there are documents that accompany them. They were also awarded at a special ceremony. Out of interest I assume that it's marked for Lehmann & Wundernberg, Hannover? I've been thinking of starting a thread on the variants of these over in the membership badge section.

Cheers

Don

I've edited the title of this thread to cover all of the Opfer badges Hüsken covers, 4118 a-g. Here's 4118d Gau Hessen-Nassau.

Cheers

D

Welcome to the forum Bruno, & a very interesting badge you show. Not only is this the first one that I've ever seen with a maker mark, but the obverse also show significant differences How long have you had it?

Thanks for showing it.

Robert,

A choice piece!

Cheers

Don

All music related tinnies have been transferred over from the general database

All Kreistag tinnies have now been transferred from the general database

All Gautag tinnies have been transferred from the General Tinnie Database

Yes I believe it was just accumulated years of membership in one of the various veterans groups (several were brought under the rule of the NSRKB I believe).

Sorry, I rarely comment on values these days as I fully believe items are only worth what an individual is willing to pay for it.

Cheers

Don

The enamel badge is a Golden 40 year honour pin for the National Socialist Reichskriegerbund, a veterans group. Here's a link for others you can compare it to http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10114

Cheers

Don

Very nice indeed. Never seen one before or have any idea of value though, sorry. I know that there were spoons made to raise money etc as I have a WHW one somewhere.

Thanks for showing it.

Cheers

Don