Scowen

These badges are quite controversial, some believe them to be a total fantasy item, others that they are exceptionally rare & that most found for sale are fake. Dealers certainly ask a high price for them......

As for myself, I believe that they did exist during the period, as a picture of a manufacturer's sample board in Angolia's book "Belt buckles & Brocades of the Third Reich" shown on page 40 clearly shows an example attached (this of course assumes that the board was not put together post war).

However as to which ones are genuine I'm not yet so sure. They seem to come with two types of pin fixing. The type shown here, pus a bar type (of which I do not yet have an image to show). There is no doubt that fakes exist, & many of these are poorly made, bad definition of the star etc.

For now here's my one which I found being sold for a reasonable price which is the only reason I took the chance.

Anyone else have one?

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Don

Thanks for the comment VonBierStein, I hope you find it useful, we aim to add some more examples soon. I'm looking forward to seeing some of your items on the forum

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Don

I have moved the above posts here as it is more appropriate.

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Don

The image below which I found on the net some time ago claims to show the full set of 20 flags...... However I see a couple in the posts above which are not shown which suggests that there are certainly more than 20.

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Don

Detail of the wording

Hi Don,

I think we have the final proof that the pin is indeed for "Reichsarbeitsgemeinschaft f?r Berufserziehung im Deutschen Gastst?ttengewerbe".

Here is a certificate for a Master Cook which clearly shows the image of the badge at the top. The pin number is also shown on the certificate.

Hope this helps.

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Don

FireMedals,

I've moved this thread, plus the others to the Polizei forum where hopefully you should get a quicker reply.

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Don

Anybody know what this says, all I get from translation sites is

Lowest-Irish craftsman match... Lowest-Irish???

Some great tinnies as usual Peter.

Regarding your question about "Untersteirischer". From what I undersatnd Styria is/was an area of Austria close to the Yugoslavian border. Under German occupation the area became a Gau called "Steiermark". Following the German invasion of Yugoslavia the small area adjacent to Steiermark made up of a large proportion of Volksdeutsche was absorbed into this Gau & the region named "Untersteiermark", the population of this area were the Untersteirisher. This link will show some items from the combined defence force http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4330

(It would be nice if you would be kind enough to post that tinnie there as well, thanks)

Hope this helps.

Don

I have moved & combined Raul's latest thread with images of a rally with his previous tinnie thread & images in the "Fascism in Europe forum" (link in the above post)

Thanks Raul

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Don

A good question Ed. Other Fascist seems the logical place for it, although the actual title of that area is Fascism in Europe, we do have a small thread on North America there already so I'd be happy to encompass the south as well.

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Don

Welcome to the forum Raul, I look forward to seeing your pictures If you have problems posting the pictures send me a PM & I will help if I can.

If you follow this link http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showforum=181 you will find the perfect place to post your tinnies. There we have a place especially for supporters of the National Socialists from oustside of Germany.

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Don

Welcome to the forum & thanks for posting it Darrick.

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Don

Sorry about the spelling. US keyboard..................

PS Don Your keyboard must have German letters. Is it some kind of international keyboard you have. Sorry for being such a doomyahn (phonetical spelling)

Robert,

They are known as special characters, & each letter has a specific number code. To type it hold down the alt key, ie the key next to the space bar, and use the number keys on the right of your keyboard. Make sure that Num Lock, ie the top left key, is on. If you use a laptop, then you will have to buy an additional USB numerical keypad to be able to use them.

Here are a few codes that you may find useful:

• ? alt+225

• ? alt+132

• ? alt+148

• ? alt+129

• ? alt+155

• ? alt+130

• ? alt+142

• ? alt+153

• ? alt+154

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Don

Gentlemen, just to clarify the spelling of the name, it's Schmid?u?ler with a German double s symbol not a letter b.

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Don

I think that it was some type of glue, similar to what was used on the Kreissiegers & Gausiegers etc. Sometimes they slip a little before setting........

Normally they are set perfectly in the centre like yours, but occasionally they are found slightly off.......

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Don

Rev

Nice badge Robert. I've been asking myself the same question re the notch as well....... Joe is correct about the GG mark, there are accepted instances where a stamped marke is OK, this nbeing one of them.

Here's my 25, the eagle is a little off centre on this one. I've been chasing a 40 for a while, I've almost caught it, just a little way to go......

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Don

Thanks Robert.

I came across this photo in a school history text book the other day. Thought it would fit nicely here, notice the flag in the centre.......

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Don

Naturally...........

There's no real reference that I know of Joe but I can tell you that the 3D's (& also the standard type) can be found with a red centre & a black centre as well as the blue shown here. It's rumoured that there should be a yellow as well but I've never seen one.

There is also a standard type with a gold wreath (like a Gold Party Badge), but it's unknown as to what it was for.

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Don

Very nice find Joe & it's the honour version to boot!

Thanks for showing it Joe

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Don

The surprise for me on this is the maker, Brüder Schneider AG Wien, famous for their Luftwaffe awards......

The reverse has a different style pin keeper than on later years but this style is typical for 1938 versions of these badges.

Notice the tiny maker mark at the bottom?

For anyone still interested & not bored with this thread. I'd forgotten to mention that the 1938 badges were not enamelled.....

Here's a bronze which I've just managed to obtain. The badge is non magnetic (I've updated the list above), but the pin is.

The badge (as I informed the seller on the other forum) is the coat of arms for N?rnberg. However what the significance is of it being worn on the arm I do not know.

Sorry

Don