Scowen

What a fantastic & invaluable resource, great idea Bill. Not sure if I have any, but will search through my images to see.

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Don

I for one have never liked the coloured HJ Foreigners badges....... (Except the brown of course).

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Don

Would it not be easier just to split the tinnie & membership badge forum into two, thus enabling you to have threads dedicated to just H.J. or S.A. tinnies etc as I am already doing with the membership badges? It would be easier than expecting people to post in both places or to move their posts.

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Don

I don't think the answer is that simple.

If the prongs had been removed, then going by the finish on the pin & catch plates the badge must have been repainted after the event as the colour matches too well. The scratches & removed paint wouldn't be caused by that.

Looking at the front, it could just be the lighting, but the base of the badge does look as though it was painted after the addition of the eagle as it looks to have been painted around.

If you get it for a look, see if there are any signs of how the eagle is attached & whether there are any remnants on the reverse of the eagle showing that there were any attachment devices on that. If it was a factory made piece I would not expect to see any leftovers of prongs or pin plate on the eagle as a fresh one would be used.

Who it is from makes no difference, I've bought good items from unreliable people & bad items from reliable ones...... However this piece has been playing on my mind all afternoon, I think it would have to be an "in hand inspection".

There was a cloth cap badge which was similar design to this, I've never seen it in metal. I would expect it to have prongs, but then again I've seen cap badges with pins (the NSKOV is a prime example of one found with either) so...... What does worry me is the quality/condition of the reverse.

Here are a couple of crops showing the cloth badge I'm thinking of.

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Don

I've no idea, never seen anythinmg like it before. I strongly suspect that someone's been sodding about with a blank pin plate, a DRK cap badge & some Evo-stick.....

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Don

Nick,

I've just heard back from my Guru who knows everything there is to know about hunting & shooting. He says that the Deutsche Versuchsanstalt f?r Handfeuerwaffen badge (H? N1 05) is genuine & that to his knowledge has not yet been faked.

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Don

Peter, don't worry a worn or ground dug pin can rock my world just as much as a mint one, sometimes more as they show some life! Plus just look at the craftmanship on such a small item.

The 25yr is slightly larger at around 16mm.

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Mark

I also have the 25 year service. This is marked for Carl Wild, Hamburg.

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Very nice Peter. It looks to be unmarked is this the case?

You can sometimes find them with makers, here's mine, unmarked.

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Don

Nice one Erich! It's good to see one that hasn't lost her fingers.

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Don

To throw more fuel onto the fire, the manufacturer used on the cheap fakes available from the usuall copy specialists is also F&R.... Although I would hope that this appauling badge would not fool many, although I do know that it has.

Everything on Gods Earth is wrong with this badge however it is interesting to note a few points. On the reverse, a ring for the pinplate but no virtical guides top & bottom, & the base of the badge is far too oval. On the obverse the use of definite pebbling under the green enamel & the best of all the spelling of Deutscher using an "o" instead of a "u"......... I'm not even going to mention the eagle.

Frank & Reif badges worry me, your badge is the third variant I know of & I'm damn sure they didn't make so many that they needed to make fresh dies, but who knows......

On my one above, as well as not having the round guide for the plate did you notice that the maker mark is on opposite sides? The name is on the right & town on the left.

I have another variant which I shall post here with the same name positioning as yours but also without the round guide (unless they've used a larger plate & it's covering it). I really do not know what's going on with them. The lettering on the obverses all appear to be different as well.

Here it is.

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Don

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Here's a prime example, water rescue...... What fools people with this one is that it is serial numbered.

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Don

Already done my friend

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Don

There are indeed marked differences between all three badges Robert, the Sig rune, the pebbling as well as the "V". I'd say we have three originals from 3 different makers so far.

Sweet badge, thanks for showing it.

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Don

A very nice one it looks too. Check out the little cluster of pebbles under the green enamel immediately above the "UT" in Deutscher, looks like the same die to me.

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Don

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Now for a Steinhaur & L?ck marked piece. This one is made of Nickel Silver so retains the silver look to it. This is identical to the version shown in Cone's book.

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Don

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Thought we'd try a thread on the 1st pattern DJV badge. If memory serves me correctly these badges were only in use for about one year before being replaced with the version without the "V".

If you have one of these rare beasts please post it & see what makers & different dot patterns/Sig runes we have. Please only post badges with the "V" at the bottom.

I'll start off with an simple Ges.Gesch marked one, lost virtually all of it's silvering.

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Don

Thanks for sharing this beauty John I see my theory is still holding water

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Don