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As Pat (Avitas) is having trouble posting images since the forum software upgrade, I'm putting up these images on his behalf.

Marked A.TH.

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Don

Don, i've found Ostpreussien badge in He/Hu page 359 Tafel 16 #4e

Indeed it is, I stand corrected .

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Don

Some very nice badges & pins you have Alexey, thank you for posting them.

There are one or two that would worry me, the Frauenschaft in post # 22 for instance, the outside circle of the RZM should be closed. And the Party badge in post 28, I'm never happy with just an RZM mark & Ges.Gesch, however, that is just my opinion. On the whole some lovely pieces.

You could post some of these in the threads that have already been started if you wish. The RLB in post #27 has a dedicated thread as do the RAD in post #24 & RDK in post #6. If you wish I can transfer them out of this thread or you can post them again there yourself.

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Don

I've checked through my reference books & can't find anything matching the last two pins made before 1945 .

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Another nice pin. I wonder whether these fell outside of the RAD license &/or organisation, as I do not recall ever seeing one with the triangle...

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Don

Very nice Robert. I've been considering expanding into cap badges lately, been trying to resist it but I may have to give in

Thanks for showing it, I see that this is double marked with the A&S as well as the little Assmann man.

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Reverse is also marked for Wurster.

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Here's the small version of the Type III DLV pin, similar to the one shown above by Scott.

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Don

Here's another that recently passed through my hands, also marked 5.

Although there are small differences on the base section, has anyone noticed that the pattern in the enamel on all these shown is identical?

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Don

Welcome to the forum Bernie.

Sorry for my late reply, I haven't been up here to the SS area for a while . Lovely piece, I never tire of seeing these.

Thanks for showing it.

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Indeed, very nice Erich, congratulations. I recently saw one of these in Munich but I didn't have the cash on me at the time.......

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Underside

Very nice John.

Here's what she who must be obeyed found waiting for her under the tree last week.

Rehbock No 14

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Don

This recently came in with that large grouping of badges. It's my first buttonhole & it's tiny, only 15mm & weighs a mere 1.5g.

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Don

Nice example Joe, I've yet to pick up the aluminium version.

Thanks for showing it.

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Don

Joe,

Thanks for the offer, however I think it will be useful to leave it, unless you wish it removed. The proceeding posts explain that there could be questions raised with it, but until we know more I think it should remain as an example to be researched. I think the same goes with the Type II I showed, if as it seems they also should have the RADJ mark then these too are questionable. This two pins clearly show more research is needed.......

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Don

Nice additions Joe.

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And very nice too

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Do you know what that letter is between the c and the t? Robert

Robert,

That letter is an "s", deutschen

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Don

I'm sorry but I would not be happy with this in my collection. It does not match any of the accepted designs of this badge. There may have been two makers, Wittmann as you mentioned, & Hoffst?tter, Bonn.

Both makers designs are very similar, the crossed skis & Edelweis are made in one piece, not riveted together as this one is. Also, the H.J. rhombus should be enamelled not painted (remember this was pre war & intended as an award for leaders or instructors). Also, there should be two sets of attaching pins not one.

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Don

The only reference that I can find to this is in Angolia's "Labour Organizations of the Reich":

"Since the RAD was a national, rather than Party, organization it's uniforms and insignia were not subject to control by the Reichszeugmeisterei (RZM-National Supply Agency). They were, however, legally protected. Only authorized makers could supply the RAD. This authorization was indicated by a license or regestration mark (Zulassungseichen) depicted by an inverted triangle enclosing the letters FADJ and later RADJ with GES. to the left, and GESCH. to the right."

So that implies anything other than this is incorrect...... This also poses the question as to the so called Type II badges/pins of which all that I've seen so far do not have the triangle at all, only the Ges. Gesch. Are these earlier than the Type I's thus too early for the mark (the original 1st design RADwJ brooch worn until 1937 never had such a mark) or are these fakes?????

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Don

Joe,

I'm glad you pointed this out. I only noticed it when putting up the extra shot & wondered the same thing. I'll have a check through my books to see if there is a reference to this.

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Don

I've added a better shot of the double Assmann mark to my post above.

Maybe we could start a thread on RAD to show all of the diferent makers and their design characteristics. Maybe start out with Arbeits Dank pin back...Arbeit Dank stick-pin both in red and yellow etc. etc. We could probably go a long way with a thread like that to include cap badges and other regalia. It would be a great learning experience for this still relatively inexpensive section of our hobby........ Robert

You wish is my command Robert, I've started two threads & added their Icons on the database thread.

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Type II