Scowen

There was a picture posted on the thread you started on WAF yesterday.

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Don

Thank you Bill for yet another absorbing thread, I've just spent my whole lunch hour reading it

As with the thread on fakes ( http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9368 ) I shall pin this to the top for easy reference.

You have definitely whetted my appetite for obtaining a couple of these birdies.

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Don

I've now corrected the link I supplied in post 19 earlier

Snyders treasures eh? Say no more..........

I would be very doubtful that this is an original, unless it is a private modification. May we see an image of the reverse please? And a close up of the 1923 area?

The significance of the date 1923 is that was the year of Hitler's attempted Putsch in Munich.

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Don

Dear Don,

Thank you for the interest. Actually the references to eagle type belong to the 50 pages or so that preceded this short essay when it was originally prepared and not to my other thread here. I thought posting the entire thing here would be too long. It deals with the pattern types that I have identified to date, is a bit esoteric, and perhaps of little general interest. If you would like I can work through it and post it here on the forum. I don't know how many other police cloth collectors are about to warrant takeing up forum space.

Regards,

William Unland

Ahh, that explains why in a few places I started to get a little confused..... I thought it was my age

Any further references would be well received I'm sure.

Thanks again

Don

An absolutely fascinating thread Bill, thanks for taking the time to do this. In case it gets lost here is the link to the original thread that you mention above http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9405

I will also pin this to the top as I feel it's to important to be lost amongst the other threads.

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Don

Indeed, it could well be in breach of the Trades Description Act here in the UK & it's equivalent under European law. Unless they have a clause anywhere (which I haven't seen), that states that the item supplied may not be the item pictured, they could end up in hot water. Stephen may know more (Gold Party Pin Guy).

They did a similar thing to me a while back with a Kleing?rtner badge. The one pictured was maker marked Frank & Reif, but the badge supplied was a Poellath. They replied that they didn't have a F&R in stock, so I returned it. But yes, I lost postage on it. Incidentally, the one still pictured on the site is the F&R, they never replaced the image (although they did put the price up!)

Good luck Robert (give 'em hell )

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Don

Indeed that was quick.

Unfortunately, this can be a common problem with dealers. They sometimes use stock images to list their items, or if they have several of the same, do not send out the pictured one.

You have 3 options as far as I can see.

1 Contact them & state that it was not the pictured one, ask if they have the one used in the picture & if so exchange it. If they don't have the original then you will need to decide whether to keep it or not.

2 You have a right to return it for any reason for about a week (check the site for the exact time), so if you aren't happy return it & wait for another to turn up somewhere (this will happen as these aren't particularly rare, the box is, the coin isn't)

3 If you are happy with it keep it.

It's a real pain when this happens, but I'm afraid that is one of the pitfalls at least with these larger dealers you do have a return policy.

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Don

Interesting piece Robert. I've only ever seen these in H?sken, which no doubt you have as well, I like it. There are some very nice items in this thread being dusted off, keep 'em coming lads!

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Don

Lovely pieces gents. Of those pieces I prefer the white horse, just lovely.......

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Don

I think this just goes to show how much will still have to learn about events of only 70 or so years ago, & how difficult it can be. I cannot imagine what it's like studying a period from hundreds of years ago

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Don

Thank you Bill for the extra info & yes, I too would love to know more if you have the inclination & time.

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Don

The First-Class fire badges are extremely rare if I'm not mistaken.

Indeed they are Robert.

Here is the link to the thread Rosenberg mentioned. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=226

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Don

Very interesting, thanks.

What are T?rplaketten? Google translates it as "door plaques" but they look more like post cards to me.

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Don

Very nice Florian, I take my hat off to you You do manage to find some lovely pieces.

Thanks for showing it.

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Don

That's the chap, I knew I'd seen one somewhere!! Thanks Ralf , any idea how much it is? There you go Robert grab the coin & you've got a set

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Don

Thanks Robert.

I'm not honestly that sure, I suppose that it could be. There is an earlier version of this pin, almost the same but with the initials NDO (Nationalverband instead of Reichs) & slightly different wording around the edge. Take a peek at H?sken 9610a & 9611a, the DOB are on the same page.

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Don

Marked for Fleck & Sohn, Hamburg 3

Here's a new one, Reichsverband Deutscher Offiziere (RDO)

The silvering isn't as bright as the scan shows, that's down to the glare from the scanner.

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Don

Stunning........

Not quite in that league, but while in M?nchen a couple of weeks back my wife picked up a couple of vases. here's one.

Painted vase number 502. Interesting to note the variation of the painted rings from John's however I guess that they were hand done.

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Don

I agree with Rosenberg. I've seen the coin with this box before but unfortunatly, as I'm not into this sort of thing never kept the image. The tinnie is a nice one as well, I have also seen a cased non portable version of this.

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Don

An excellent & informative thread Bill, thank you very much.

Without asking you to give away too much info, & forgive a me for possibly a stupid question (remember I'm a cloth virgin ) is there any particular trait to look for on the obverse or reverses when checking for originality? Or is it down to quality of the work & material etc

Thanks again.

Don

Yes I saw it, & passed rapidly on........

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Don

Hi Klin,

Firstly, let me welcome you to the forum, I hope that you will enjoy it here.

It's never too late for this thread, in fact I hope that this one will grow enough to warrent a seperate area on the froum eventually

Nice piece you have there, I know someone here who would love one of those (are you out there JTW? )

Thanks for showing it.

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Don