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Hi Chuck This bar looks like belonged to someone with at least Colonel Rank
All those decorations had been awarded as the person advance in the ranks.
Also on the topic
The Order for Military Merit during war time was awarded also with additional War decoration with war time ribbon
However, the 6th Class was never awarded with war decoration -only with war time ribbon
Here is a bar with 5th Class with war decoration
Interestingly the high Classes from Commander(3rd Class) to Grand Cross with War Decoration did not have War time ribbon, They were awarded on Standard ribbon
Grand officer -2nd Class with War decoration
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55 minutes ago, graham said:
It is a Bulgarian 6th class Order of Military Merit. The 5th class has a crown.
The First part is correct. However the 5th and 6th Classes of the Order for Military merit were awarded with and without crowns.
The crosses with crowns are awarded after one without crown was given already.
This particular cross is King Ferdinand Issues.
The crosses from 6th to 4th class during war time were awarded with ribbon of the Military Order for Bravery -like the one on the bar posted by scottplen
Here are some bars
- with Military Order for Bravery - Soldier Cross given to NCOs
- Order for Military Merit 5th Class with out crown with standard ribbon
-Order for Military Merit 5ht Class without crown with war time ribbon, next to 4th Class of the Order for Bravery.
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-5th and 6th Classes with crowns
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Then more thorough research need to be done to track Herr Wedemann
Why English will make post card on German POW?! I
Any way the topic is for the cross we have to try to stick to the topic.
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Is it possible this Weidemann not to be one of the POW on the picture?
He then could be just a sender of this card but not one of the POW on the card
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On 04/06/2015 at 13:49, The Prussian said:
The reverse is english....
Is there a list with german POW Officers in England?
One of them is called Wiedemann.
He wrote: In dankbarer Erinnerung an die Wasserfahrt, Ihr Wiedemann
In grateful memories at the trip on water, yours, Wiedemann
It could be , because none of the people on the photo has belt or any other attributes like daggers etc.
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An Original Gold G Dimitrov Usually the mark is on the side of the loop on top of the Order
All Gold G Dimitrov Orders were made with hollow construction to reduce the amount of Gold used.
The wearer copies have solid construction No holes on the back Usually they have the "R" mark and are made of gilded base metal Here are picture of both Gold and wearer copy Both are considered to be original.
Still the quality of the wearer is not as 100% as the Gold samples
I am not sure how the damage on the frond of the replica has happened I do not think that this is a testing mark
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Then sounds that the Seller knew something and got scared when you started asking questions.
Personally i never hold unmarked Star. Your experience leads me to believe that those Stars like the solid unmarked Order of Georgi Dimitrov are made from gilded basic material
It is believed that for a some period the wearer copies were made without the "R" mark
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That is the link for the Auction House of Dorotheum in Vienna
Very good side. On their Auctions they list originals Austrian Orders and decorations and late productions made by the medal company for the collector's market Usually the originals are listed first and the late "original" productions at the end of the Austrian list. Followed by the list of Foreign Orders and Decorations
Good Luck in the minefield of collecting
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Yes,
That is another good source, however it could be expensive, taking into consideration the additional fees
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Hi saschaw,
You nailed it! Thanks
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My advice is to start by buying from a reputable Austrian Dealers. Once you hold originals you will have the feeling.
Do not start from not known sellers on eBay, although on eBay.de (Germany) there is a Reputable Austrian Dealer who has a shop. He also has a online shop out of eBay.
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Nice collection Congrats!
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This is a nice an early Commander by Wolferes
The last picture is only as reference the type of the ball and the cross seen on the early 1st type of the medals of the Royal Order of the Lion. The Crowns are from other Belgium Order and not relevant to the topic
I had Sets of all medals including their miniatures, however sadly i had to sell them to buy something else That is the fate of the cllectors
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Hi Mark McM,
The Royal Order of the Lion was established by King Leopold II on 9th of April 1891 and was discontinued on 1st of July 1962. On 18th of October 1908 the Order become part of the Belgium system of Orders.
The 1st type with French Text only was awarded till 24th of October 1951
The medal you listed it looks Gold but aged with a loss of the gild
Many of those 1st type medals were given from the very beginning and during WW1 and WW2 period mainly till 1951
The medal you posted, in my opinion, is a late "aged' re-strike after 1951
The crown of medals of the early 1st type models had smooth ball on top and the cross was with well defined four arms
This cross could be made later for someone who lost their original 1st type medals.
Ribbon you can find on eBay.fr (France) or eBay.be (Belgium)
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Those marks are only on 1870 Crosses
All opinions are regarding the MarcinL post
Yes it will be nice if you have pictures of the front of the cross, although the picture of the reverse is convincing enough that this 1870 cross is not good or highly questionable
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Belgian Order of the Lion Medal
in Northern European & Baltic States
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This is a good site for ribbons
http://www.ribbonsshop.com/