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Very interesting Cross

No problem I will send you if i get anything nice

Hi

It is getting interesting

The reason I had listed the screw back version is that only the one listed today with a pin is well known Original by this maker and i wanted opinion on the screw back one which is not mine

The EK1 with the pin is mine and is one of my top 1st Class EKs

Lovely miniatures

Yes some of the Leopold 1 Orders  including their miniatures were made by French makers

Nice collections!

Amazing collection  Well done!

On 07/10/2021 at 04:47, Chris Boonzaier said:

Agree... by coincidence I had a little bag of these pins and used them to mount medals.

Yes i agree as well

Impressive Collection

It is real beauty

On 15/01/2022 at 17:54, Alex K said:

I would say the price of a messed with ek2, without rock solid provenance as wartime produced and worn, its value is whatever you want to pay for it in my opinion, sorry 

I agree Any conversion could be war time or made recently

The question is if the collector wants to have it or not.

Do not forget that there is 23 25 % commission which makes the final price around 15 000

Your argument also is true  An Original awarded piece with a very strong provenance will fetch much more

Nice pictures

19 hours ago, v.Perlet said:

For how much this order was auctioned off in 2019 - I wouldn't know.

   Hammer-price / sale price: 12,000.00 €

Cheers

Thanks I will list any new updated information

Cheers

 Hi Johan,

Yes, good observation. However from the position on the chain one can suspect that it is 2nd Class Commander.

Also on the picture Karl Theodor von Kinzelbach is wearing Colonel uniform.

Hi Kasle,

If we take into account also the fact how many "period wearer´s copies" of EK1 1914 are out there - and we like them, because there belong all those clamshells, cruciforms, oval screwbacks, mouse traps and ladders - your meaning as general thought is completely wrong.

With all you respect the discussion is about the Grand Cross ..and mine comments related only to it.

If you have to use my comments as general thought we have to include other Decorations as PLM and many others Orders sold on the market as such

Cheers

Super

So far i found he reached the Rank of Commander He was born in Bombay India in 1905.

No surprise he was born in India, since his father was an Officer from the British Army -reached rank of Major. Killed in Action in Belgium  in 1914

Thanks again for the link

Hi,

To be honest I have no idea.

I hope someone from the forum who is more into the Socialist period Medals will know the answer.

My interest is mainly Royal Bulgarian Orders .From the Socialist Period i collect  mainly Hero of Socialist Labour Stars

Good luck.

The dust is something personal.

Some collectors clean it and take pictures and let the patina /dust build up again.

Some keep cleaning their Orders and EKs. Their argument is that if you are awarded person will do it all the time if you wear them

Many collectors like to keep the Orders and decorations as they are -dusty,rusty and with patina.

Be careful of patina/dust Many fakers know how to get them easy Also the rust Remember old rust is always dark brown New one is bright orange

Someone requested to have the fakes and the original side by side to compare

Cheers

Hi Richard,

Can you send me picture of the Ribbon you have in mind

Is it this type of ribbon?

It is a very unusual

The marks 900 and AR are for Silver

I can not read the other mark

What is the unusual is the flat central medallions and the blue enamel on the back

Private of foreign made  (French)?!!