Graf

Hi TJLA,

First the red cloth, as you noticed, looks modern one. Some collectors and dealers like to add the red cloth to give more dramatic look of the Orders and medals with crowns. i am not aware that this was a fashion among the awarded persons, however it might have been done by same of them. This in no way increase the value of the order/medal

The other issue is whether the crown could be added later on to increase the price. The answer is -Yes it is possible ..and not only by jeweler but by any more skilled collector or a Dealer. It has been happening with all Orders and Decorations around the world. It is tempting..it brings more $$$ and collectors value of the item.

I opened a Special dedicated Topic for fake Bulgarian Orders and decorations on this Forum. It is very popular.

How we can detect. That is the Million Dollars question. In my experience only collectors that are specialising in certain Orders and decorations and have extensive experience and handled many of those awards can be successful in some extend. No one is bullet proof to fraud.

My simple advice is -Listen your guts feeling and the very first impression. This comes on top  and with long experience.

I have seen some suggestions for the campaign Medals that the models without crown have the ring connection on top of the medal more rounded like a ball while those ones with the crowns are also round but a bit flatter.

However this is just speculation One had to do a proper research with a big sample

Your theory info is very interesting and can not be ignored. The photos are of help. Only problem how often we can come across of photos with Millitary people wearing those campaign medals, especially the ones with crowns.

I will be very happy if you come across one ore more of those photos and post them here.

Regards

Graf

Hi Triadoro,

Thank you for your opinion

Regards

Graf

Hi 1812 Overture,

Thank you for the nice comments.

Yes  life is , like you say, like a sea waves.

The collectors life is even more wavy, because we have the passion, which sometimes does not get matched with our funds.

However we learn to live with that.

I, personally restructured  and trimmed my collection  several times in order to generate funds.

I also realised that is difficult to have everything and tried to restrict the scope of my collecting

It is easier to manage. We have to l accept the fact that sometimes we can miss an item.

However life showed me that in many occasions I got similar item in better condition and on better price.

Just we have to be patient.

Cheers

Keep safe

Graf

Hi Guys,

Thank you for the posts and information provided.

I am amazed how inventive were the Germans during WW2 ..well ahead the time

Hi Terry37,

Welcome !  A very Nice Start I like what I see so far

Cheers

Graf

Hi TJLA,

Thank you for the information It is nice Original medal, although on the expensive site.

I like the efforts the Dealer made to give very nice and extensive information

Cheers

Graf

Any information whether the Firm Juncker, Berlin ever made 1957 RK.

At one stage I had two 1957 RK 1957 Model, however the quality was not at the best.  Both of them were marked L/12 800 I sold them because i suspected that they were side line of the fake made 1939 Models .Those RKs appeared on the market very briefly 10 years ago

Hi JohanH,

Nice minis. Yes to get attributed bars and chains is better, especially if they are part of a Grouping.

I simply try to get minis for the full size Orders I already have It looks nice

I send you mere info regarding the Mini of the Commander of the Order of the Vaza on the other topic site.

It is not marked and it is double sided . very detailed work.  Silver

Regards

Graf

Merci Djedj,

I had the information that the medals with the Crowns are considered as "Cent Gardes" 

That can explain their scarce nature if their were given to the 100 National Guards only

Similarly  like the "Cent Gardes' model of the Order of legion of Honour

Graf

Hi Nick,

Do not worry. When the time comes they will create Criteria. I hope they will not get too exited and create sub classes for each Variant that will come under the sun

Hi,

Here are mine Sweden Miniatures

Show yours

Hi JohanH,

Here is a picture of the miniature together with two other miniatures in Gold I have in my collection

The Commander miniature is not marked, however it is silver and it is double sided with very detailed design.

I am amazed how they can make such small detailed minis

Regards

Graf

Hi Paul,

I agree, however i would not buy such medals from a person who I never had deal in the past and i know that they are with good knowledge and most importantly honest.

Those medals are not mine main interest, however I am fascinated by the models with crowns. I was offered privately made ones without crown, however i declined

I would be trilled to get one China campaign medal with crown, however i am still reluctant till i get more evidence that they exist with crown..That is why started this topic

Cheers

Here is at glance some of the models described by New World

 Grand Cross  with war decoration

Grand officers with an without War decoration

Commanders with War decoration and without War decoration

Commanders Regency and Republican Models- the bottom raw

Note The Crosses of 2nd and 3rd Class were the same size The difference is that the 2nd Class had  a Breast Star

Thanks Yes, those pins are difficult to be put in any particular period

Here is another pin from WW1 period

It is difficult to say because those pins have been used for a while

Here is one of myEK2 with pin It looks like this in the middle

"Decorated" Bulgarian Plane

Hi Ilieff,

That is an amazing Photo. I have seen only single photo of people decorated with this cross

Here is an interesting picture of the Queen

nice example of luxury miniature Order of St Gregory in a small medal bar

I agree with 992F

Lack of clear marks and in my opinion lack of good quality, suggests bronze gild.

Here is another example of good quality silver gild with well placed mark for silver -'boar head"

Wasser Wagen in action

King Ferdinand shoulder board