Graf

Hi Ian,

 A similar cross was just listed on eBay. com

Graf

Hi JohanH,

Yes, i assume that the price would have been bigger.

I collect Orders from Europe and i usually try to get the Miniature of the Full size Order i have in my collection.

Sweden Orders are not my first line of collecting, however I have few of them ,since I like their design

All of us have certain budget. Sometimes is bigger sometimes is lower.

Perhaps, next time you will beat me I never get upset when outbid by a fellow collector. What is upsets me when a Dealer buys the item and re -sells for a higher price Well they have to live..however not on my expense

Regards

One from me  ..with a mini

Hi JohanH,

Sorry, That is life It reminds me a story of English Lord, who won an item on Auction, how much he paid for it The price was not disclosed to the Public. His answer was " Well put that way It was more valuable for me then for the other bidders" At least you know the final price. i was prepared to pay more the you wanted to spend for it

Good Luck next time

Not yet arrived I will let you know

Cheers

Graf

Hi Ian,

I hope you are Happy  and you got the answer you wanted

Cheers

I recently got this lovely mini of the Commander Class (I like minis. They are my soft spot)

It compliments my Commander Star

Hi Bayern,

Gracias!

Hi Cris It is a very nice format

..and harry up because ccj  is worry, although i wish him long and happy stay here.

There you are I felt the topic was started because of not a correct ribbon

Ian you can see those incorrect ribbons on eBay on Dealers sites and Auctions.  Some sellers will indicate, if they know, that the ribbon is incorrect

That is the purpose of those Forums - the share knowledge and experience

That is very interesting

Hi Ian,

One reason could be that the original ribbon was damaged and a new, not the correct one, was  "married" to the order. I have seen with other countries Orders.

However since i am not very familiar with Austrian Orders, that is only speculation

Bravery Order with Three Dots

Hi Justin H,

yes it is interesting photo

The man on the photo  participated in the September Uprising in  1923

From the text it is obvious that he was participant, however the wife , very likely, was not. The family on the picture is greeting another family, from the bottom of their harts, for the coming New 1974 Year and also best wishes for health and happiness.  Also greeting for the Celebration of 50 years of the Uprising. in 1923

I hope I managed to translate the text correctly..It took me a while. If it is not correct some of the Bulgarian members can feel free to edit my text

Hi Bayern,

Thank you for the information  i have read couple of books about the life of Prince?King Ferdinand and his son King Boris III

Best

Graf

I agree, however as Gordon sated it is difficult to judge only from the pictures

Hi Laurentius,

Thank you that i am doing I keep them

Hi Tifes,

Thank you for the clarification and the additional information. Very likely he won some kind of contract during the Prince/King Ferdinand period The Prince was very popular visitor in Austria and perhaps in a way involved in the contract. I suspect he was impressed by the quality of work . King Ferdinand was mad about quality

After he abdicated in 1918 in favour his son King Boris III  it seems this contract was not renewed

Most of the Bulgarian Orders and decorations during King Boris III period were made by Rothe  or German Makers

We will pray for his soul Be in peace.

Perhaps his soul decided to leave this Word The world is not a happy place any more

Graf

Hi,

I managed to get translation of the text  from the link provided by dedehansen

Schwerdtner, Johann  (1834-1920), medalist and engraver

Schwerdtner Johann, medalist and engraver. Born Vienna, July 14, 1834; died there, March 15, 1920. Son of a carpenter, father of Carl Maria and Hugo S. (both sd). S. stud. 1846–47 at the Wr. Academy of Fine Arts, among others with Sebastian Wegmayr and Wilhelm Westmann, and from 1847 attended an apprenticeship with an engraver as well as a drawing and modeling school. Due to an eye disease that led to complete blindness in the last years of his life, he had to interrupt his professional career for a while, but from 1854–64 he worked again as a map engraver in the military geographer. Inst. And trained during this time with the engraver Franz Jauner (see below Jauner Heinrich) and the medalist W. Seidan (see below). In 1864 he opened his own atelier, where he produced the Order for Civil and Military Merit of the Kingdom of Bulgaria, which he had also designed, until the end of the First World War. Numerous artists, so among othersthe later head of the technical school of the royal academy for book art in Leipzig Georg Schiller, J. Kowarzik (sd) and Adolf Hofmann, emerged from his workshop. S., founding member of the cooperative of the engravers of Vienna, was a member of several associations, so from 1869 of the cooperative of the visual artists of Vienna (Künstlerhaus) as well as their sculpture association, in 1888 the numismat. Ges. He received numerous domestic and foreign. Ausz .; 1897 k. Advice.He received numerous domestic and foreign. Ausz .; 1897 k. Advice.He received numerous domestic and foreign. Ausz .; 1897 k. Advice.

Hi Peter,

Good work Keep the good job

The same thing apply for other makers like AWS they have very rare stamped marks

I was an owner of one EK1

Few years ago i helped a fellow collector to reunite it with a huge grouping of Pour Le Merite.

Sadly I saw this grouping fro sale by eMedals later onin

Looks like we might be bidders for this rare EK1  I hope one of us we wiin

regards

Graf

Hi Tifes,

Lovely Second Class of the Order for Military Merit I have the same one..sadly not in a box

I suppose that this firm was involved in making other Orders and Decorations apart from the Bulgarian Ones.

Only what we need a Catalog from The Firm Usually the produced them with the items they make and the price

Second option is the more advanced collectors  of Austrian Orders to help us

Regards

Graf

Hi David M,

Most  mass production fakers  make the  the crosses and the stars in big numbers and limited number of the specific  central medallions. I started a Topic on the Bulgarian Section regarding fakes

There have been fiew books how to detect fakes. The problem is that those fakers read them and inprove their products

Also many of them are made abroad with cheap materials and labour

Some of those items were sold bellow the market  value, some are distributed through Dealers and Auction Houses

The Good think is that since the Pandemic started those fakers are not as active

Hi Marcon1,

Thank you for listing this picture. It is Great

I know that are more great German inventions that is why i listed this photo to make people to list any they have on disposal

The Firm was involved in making Royal Bulgarian Red Cross Badge as well

However I am still chasing the EK1 on this topic

I hope i will get it one day

I had a chance to buy it few years ago ..much cheaper