Graf

Welcome in the Club

It is interesting badge

It is better to list it in the North Europe Section

Regards

Graf

Hi Welcome to the Club,

Very likely the front medallion was lost and who ever repaired the Orders attached what he had in hand

Those medallions get detached/lost quite often, since they are hold in place only by a stiky wax

On close inspection, in my opinion the blue and the white colours central medallion were re-enameled and they made a mistake The white enamel of the cross also was repaired

On 20/03/2024 at 19:33, steveBobby said:

Hi Graf！

Maybe what you're talking about is a possibility，But I saw in some materials that some men can also get the Mother's Medal by adopting war orphans. 

Yours

Steve

That is a nice information That is possible as well Only the man in the photo can give us the correct answer

Good Work Steve !

On 13/03/2024 at 00:14, steveBobby said:

I wanted to add this interesting photo to this thread, it's the only photo I've found so far of the Mother's Medal being worn by a man.

Very nice observation Interesting photo indeed

I suspect that if his wife passed away he decided to carry on the her legacy.

As you see the ribbon is a lady version

On 16/03/2024 at 04:35, Flávio P.Z.Peixoto said:

One more for the collection, another benemerenti from Pope Leo XIII, this time the silver class.

 

 

Nice

I have only one Commander -French made Never went for more Vatican decorations

On 16/03/2024 at 07:14, Bratovanov.T said:

Sorry for the bad lighting, I just made the photos now. If you want more photos I could make them tomorrow in daylight 

Yes, interesting  cross I can contribute the short swards as a maker error

That does not make it more expensive then the others, unless someone wants to have it in their collection and is willing to pay extra

Nice observation

Cheers

8 minutes ago, Graf said:

 Not the best quality

As Igor said in his words  it was awarded to low ranking military persons and the quality was not at the best

Quite common cross, although I have seen crosses which were very questionable

 

 

Cheers

 

There are very cheap one peace/part crosses on the market Thanks God they are marked with "R"

 Not the best quality

As Igor said in his words  it was awarded to low ranking military persons and the quality was not at the best

Quite common cross, although I have seen crosses which were very questionable

Cheers

That is nice and with Original box Congrats

It is nice that younger people start collecting  17 Wow that is very young ..and already have a nice rare "bird" in your collection

Collecting is not only fun, but also keep the history alive

I do not have face book, Also i want to keep it as it is

Best regards

13 hours ago, Farkas said:

Should be with family in my opinion but probably them that’s sold/selling it.

 

I hope it found the right home 🤞

 

tony 🍻

Yes, it is sad that families from one or other reason depart from such items

Every time when i am approached by family members for opinion whether to sell or to keep similar items I do my best to convince them to keep them.Their are significant part from the family history Once gone they are gone

20 hours ago, Bratovanov.T said:

I have a sixth class with a crown with flat reverse but sadly I can't upload it here. Its says "file too big".

I have 6th Class of the Order for Military merit with crown with flat reverse

Congrats

I think the 6th Classes from both Orders are quite rare

19 hours ago, gregM said:

The cross is made by AWS. ( A. Werner & Sohne ) .

I agree and it will be with broader arms comparing to most of the 1914 EK2

Hi gjm,

 If want us to post pictures of people who were awarded and wearing them

 we have a topic that is going on

On 03/02/2024 at 06:23, gregM said:

Frankenstein cross. 

Someone took a $500 1870 Ek2 and tried turning it into a

$4k Ek1.

Yes it is common butchery They do the same with the 1929 crosses with round 3 - butcher very nice EK2 to convert to EK1

On 25/02/2024 at 23:35, ashley58 said:

I am afraid Iron Cross collecting is not so simple 😛 as Orth along with others did use parts/stamps from other makers, though the cross looks fine from pictures provided. It is a nice cased example but a fairly common cross to enjoy  👍👍

 

I agree

However those crosses marked with the LDO - L/14 are very rare

On 09/03/2024 at 11:30, steveBobby said:

Хайдуков, Тодор(Теодор) Димитров
Роден: 27.07.1893 във Варна.
Образование: Военното училище в София (1914). Военната академия в София (1930).
Военна служба:
? - 37-ми пехотен полк;
? - 39-ти пехотен полк;
? - 1-ви пограничен участък;
1928 - Помощник-началник на Орханийското бюро за доброволци;
1929 - 2-ра интендантска дружина;
1930 - Преподавател във Военното училище;
1933 - Командир на рота в Пехотната школа;
1934 - Началник на секция в Щаба на армията;
1935 - Пехотната школа;
1935 - Началник на Оперативния отдел в Щаба на армията;
1936 - Комисията по Гражданската мобилизация;
1936 - Помощник-началник на Пехотната школа;
1938 - Началник на отделение в Щаба на армията;
1938 - Помощник-началник на Държавната военна фабрика;
1939 - Началник на Снабдителното отделение в Щаба на войската;
1939 - Временен началник на учебния отдел в Щаба на войската;
1940 - Началник на отдел ДГПМ към Пехотната школа;
1941 - Началник на социално правния отдел;
1942 - Артилерийската школа;
1942 - Щабът на 1-ва армия;
1943 - Пехотната инспекция;
1944 - В запас.
Офицерски звания:
22.11.1914 - Подпоручик;
05.12.1916 - Поручик;
01.04.1919 - Капитан;
31.10.1930 - Майор;
01.11.1934 - Подполковник;
03.10.1938 - Полковник.

 

Here are some details I found about him, I have not translated it into English for accuracy

Nice Work Steve.

Very interesting person he was moved around in different positions From the decorations it looked  he only has been involved in direct military actions in the early stages of his military service Most of the time he was on different organizational positions in the army

On 07/03/2024 at 07:20, Egorka said:

The first document is for medal For participation in the European war 1915-1918 (Медал за участие в Европейската война 1915-1918).

 

The second document is for "Голям офицерски кръст", i.e. "Grand Officer Cross" of the Order "For Military Merit". So, it is 2nd class then. Date was mentioned before: 26 June 1938.

Hi Egorka

Correct translation Well Done

That is the Grand Officer or Second Class of the Bulgarian Order for Military Merit

In the Document it was not mentioned whether the Order was with War decoration, therefore it can be assumed that it was without it

 and that is the 1915-1918 Commemorative Medal

On 17/02/2024 at 07:50, Farkas said:

Hi Gents,

just a quick heads up for anyone interested in militaria from the Northern Ireland conflict… I just saw there is currently a mess kit for sale on EBay attributed to Colonel Eaton T.D. murdered in cold blood by the IRA in 1976. 
 

Col. Oliver Eaton T.D., General Staff and North Irish Horse, killed by the I.R.A. 30/06/1976.

 

Item no : 276115881889

Nowt that special in itself but nice if the troubles are your area of interest.

 

cheers

tony 🍻

Nice work Tony

On 24/02/2024 at 04:04, ilieff said:

Hi laurentius,

 

I wouldn't put hard stops when it comes to the award date for the Bulgarian order.

The labelling of Princely vs King issues is mostly semantic. I mean that in the general period of 1900-1908, there was a gradual replacement of the `dome-shaped` crown with the latter, `pitched roof`-style crown. In this sense, it's theoretically possible that the order was awarded even before 1908. 

 

Furthermore, even after the abdication of 1918, there was leftover stock of `Ferdinand orders` in the Chancellery of Bulgaria orders, which continued to be awarded in the post-war years on behalf of King Boris III, though in much smaller numbers, compared to before. 

 

Congrats on the acquisition!

Hi Ilieff,

Good points.

I also was tempting to mention that this issue was given beyond 1918 during the early years of King Boris III

However Laurentius request was -" I need to confirm (somehow) that he received the Bulgarian Civil Merit Order somewhere around 1900-1920." That is why I tried to confirm that the Order  was very likely given during King Ferdinand period

Regards

Graf

On 26/02/2024 at 02:00, laurentius said:

Dear fellow collectors,

 

The city Archive of Wetzlar has written back to me. They said that Göbel lived in Wetzlar from 01.01.1906 and that he moved to Bad Homburg on the 23nd of may 1910. This probably coincides with his promotion. Prior to living in Wetzlar Göbel lived in Betzdorf. 

 

 

He probably got it after 1909, since it isn't lised yet in the Ordensalmnach that Uwe mentioned. I consider it possibly that he got it after 1918, although I would find that unlikely.

 

At this moment we will have to wait, I have also written to the archives of the cities of Hungen, Bad Homburg and Hagenau.

 

Kind regards, Laurentius

I am glad that information has increased Congrats

On 07/12/2023 at 02:10, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

Thank you Graf for the interesting and detailed explanation.

 

Here is the other photo:

1: Kapitän zur See Hellmuth Heye, Chief of Staff of the Admiral „Z“ (14 February 1941-03 April 1941)
2: General-leytenant (Lieutenant General) Nikola Totev Markov, Inspector of the Infantry of the Bulgarian Army (1938-11 August 1941)
3: Admiral Karlgeorg Schuster, Admiral „Z“ (04 March 1941-03 April 1941)
4: Herbert Freiherr von Richthofen, German Ambassador to Bulgaria (1939–1941)
5: General-leytenant (Lieutenant General) Nikola Petkov Hadzhipetkov, Chief of Staff of the Bulgarian Army (10 December 1938-11 August 1941)
6: Oberst Hans Bruckmann, German Military Attaché in Sofia (01 November 1937-19 December 1942)
7: Oberstleutnant Carl-August von Schoenebeck, Military Advisor and Air-Attaché at the German Embassy in Sofia, at the same time Chief of the Luftwaffe-Mission in Bulgaria (01 September 1939-06 September 1944)

Number 5 is 100% : General-leytenant (Lieutenant General) Nikola Petkov Hadzhipetkov, Chief of Staff of the Bulgarian Army (10 December 1938-11 August 1941)

On 25/02/2024 at 22:04, Bratovanov.T said:

Hi guys, I am new to medal collecting (I'm 17) and just came across a very strange soldier's cross with short swords from the Balkan wars. It is the first emission. 

Could someone please tell me why it has short swords. I have compared it to a cross the same emission.

I can't share the pics

 

Welcome to the Club.

It is a pity you cannot post any photos of the cross

Here are pictures of the very first emission l of the soldiers cross it is made from silver

The swards are normal size

You can come across from time to time with some small variations of the different models of the cross however those variations could be explained with some errors during the making of the crosses

On 01/03/2024 at 06:53, Farkas said:

Thanks diwe. 👍

 

I got it recently but I had been aware of it for a little while. I already had 2 out of 3 I was aware of, that belonged to the same man and then it came up for sale, I recognised it and snaffled it up!

 

 

I am/was the only person in the world who knew who it belongs to…

 

This is the label on one of the other ones👇

 

and I have this 👇

 

Captain A W M Ponsonby.

 

I was over the moon and so it’s history is safe now.

 

tony 🍻

 

Very nice Tony