Graf

Very nice Congrats

On 21/09/2023 at 01:13, Great Dane said:

I have listed in which volume of S- & C-Calendars his description changes. Bear in mind that the change would probably have happened the year before.

 

Text is as stated in the calendars, but I'm sure you get the meaning...

 

-1818

Not listed

 

1819

Major, Holstenske Inf. Reg. (Rendsborg)

 

1820

Major, Bataillons-Commandeur, Holstenske Inf. Reg. (Rendsborg)

 

1828

Oberstleutnant, Bataillons-Commandeur, Holstenske Inf. Reg. (Rendsborg)

 

1831

Oberstleutnant,  Commandeur for Slesvigske Jægercorps

 

1835

Oberst, Commandeur for Slesvigske Jægercorps

 

1843

Gen.Major, Commandeur for 2den Inf.Brigade
 

1848

Gen.Major, Commandeur for 1ste Inf.Brigade
 

1851-1866

Gen. Major 

 

(he probably retired in 1850, when he is just listed with his rank) 

 

Very nice research

5 hours ago, Megan said:

Fascinating, that's a new one for me...

I totally agree

We discover even now days  new things and information

That shows we have not lost our eager for the hobby we started many years ago

Cheers

7 minutes ago, Farkas said:

It’s such a shame that when we find something & are happy to pay the price, we still can’t be confident in our purchase. Now that even the experienced collectors have different opinions, what hope is there.  

 

As Graf says, the fakers keep improving.

 

It seems the tells that people used to rely on are close to gone. Some when copied were an incorrect weight but now that’s no longer reliable. Some had a particular detail or design that was once beyond copying well but now easily done.

 

There is currently a UK firm hand making old British uniforms, supposedly for tv/theatre but there are a good dozen of their copies for sale as original on eBay. For now at least, luckily, there is still one sometimes two ways i spot them, which I won’t mention here.

& Personally, I sadly no longer buy postcards, I found a couple of fakes in my collection and that ended it for me, there and then. Printers now are just too good.

 

👆 In most scenarios the best action is to walk away and find another example that hopefully receives universal approval but…

as in this case where there is little availability it is easier said than done.

 

cheers

tony 🍻

Nicely said Tony

Cheers

1 hour ago, Farkas said:

Hello Gents,

this is a bit of an unusual buy for me.

 

I’ve picked up this job lot from a house clearance. I assume the seller would have at least googled what he had, based on that I’m not expecting the third reich items to be original but hopeful they may have a little age to them.

This is how it looks…

 

 

There were a couple of reasons I was interested.

- The party medals and badges seem like they could complement each other, worn together rather than just randoms.  
- The cockade with the iron cross centre is, I believe, a veteran association piece. An unlikely choice for re-enactments.

- I really want to know what is underneath the Brit ww2 defence medal ribbon!

 

Also for sale was this 1936 ‘family tree’ for this man 👇 From the parents names I think it is ‘Josef Paula’. Could there be a connection?

and a couple of other post war German items. As I said , all items from a house clearance dealer not a militaria dealer.

So Gents, I’m hoping 🤞 the awards turn out to be interesting copies with a bit of age that were maybe worn by a veteran post war at association meetings. 
The runes, deaths head and eagle sleeve(?) patch are also, I have to presume, copies. Where they would fit into my imagined narrative, I don’t know… 😊
 

As soon as I receive them I will post pictures of the various bits and bobs

 

As always, all thoughts or opinions welcome Gents… & as the whole lot cost me just £40 there’s no need to spare my feelings!

 

Cheers

tony 🍻

 

Hi Tony

Another interesting Lot For 40 GBP you can not go wrong

The Party Membership badges alone if they turn to be original or old copies are the most interesting items

Overall, in my opinion it is quite mixed lot Many of the items, at least at this stage do not look to have any link.

The name it could be Paula Josef  She was Assistant Administrative Person. She was Roman Catholic

Very interesting Lot

I am looking forward for the next post , once you got the lot and have more information

Cheers

7 minutes ago, Gordon Craig said:

Freejack,

I collected Third Reich artifacts for a number of years and then quit.  There are two things that you need to accept if you buy German artifacts from this era.  At some point you will buy something you feel is legit only to find out later that it is a fake.  Also, as you have already noted, some collectors will tell you an article is real and some will tell you it is fake.  Who do you believe?  And is the person giving you their opinion of your pictured item knowledgeable or not?  I now collect post war German artifacts.  Mostly police and ODMs from many different countries.  No matter what you collect there is always the danger of copies made to deceive the collector.  Third Reich era prices are so high that they attract people to make fakes.  It is too much of a mine field for many collectors.

Regards,

Gordon

I fully agree It is a nine field

Other problem is that fakers keep their knowledge up to date They also read our forums and books how to detect fakes ..and they correct their mistakes an providing much better fakes

Best regards

It is advisable to get as much knowledge as possible before start collecting WW2 German Items They are the most copied and faked ones since the interest is significant.

That way you will not depart with your money for buying questionable items.

However that is the fate of the collectors . They learn the hard way

Over the years I have seen even "reputable " Dealers selling questionable German WW2 items ..and over the years the fakers get  more experienced and perfect their work They can even age them

Personally I stopped collecting German WW2 items, However this is my personal choice.

Good Luck with your quest and your collecting

14 minutes ago, Gordon Craig said:

Freejack,

There is a sub forum on the Waffen Awards Forum (WAF) that I would suggest you post your cross on.  The collectors who post there specialize in the area you are seeking answers on. https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/forum/wehrmacht-era-militaria/-1957-medals-orders-and-decorations 

Regards,

Gordon

 

That is a very good advice

Also type on the search box (Top right) the name of Souval and you will get all the discussions regarding the Firm Souval

Regards

Fair enough

However this cross is not mad by the Firm Souval even after 1945

Here is an image of post War2 Souval  

Regards

I hope you will get more opinions

It is better to list your request in the Iron Cross Section

The Firm of Souval  made Knight Crosses into the late 60s

They use the Original dyes and in the early stages original left over parts

Those Crosses were supposedly made for the collectors market

Good Luck

I hope you will have more opinions

Not an original The seller is right it does not look Silver despite the mark

Post war copy and in my opinion not very good one

If the price is good it will be nice for display

Regards

9 hours ago, JohanH said:

Except that it should be a commander’s cross around the neck. Otherwise yes. 

Yes I know It is one of the Europe Orders when the Commander Cross and the Grand Cross are the same size

Cheers

3 hours ago, JohanH said:

Hello!

Yes I remember that discussion and yes he would have the neck cross to go with the breast star. 
 

Since he got it in 1908 it would have been a neck cross in gold. 
 

While Ebbing should have gotten a gilt cross in 1968. 

Thank you

It could have been like this Grand Cross in Gold

On 15/09/2023 at 00:42, JohanH said:

 

Ebbing received the Commander 1st grade of the Order of the Sword on September 26th 1968. 

 

So he got both the breast star of the type you show and the neck cross. 

Commander 2nd grade was just the neck cross. 

Hi JohanH

If you remember the discussion regarding this Star in the British Section

Regarding the Swedish Order of the Sword:Sir Colin Keppel was awarded the Commander 1st Class in 1908 after a visit of the Swedish Royal family to Britain Does that mean that he was awarded the neck Cross as well. Sadly only the Star was part of the Grouping. Even more sad the Group was split and sold  At least I was lucky to by the Star of the Order of the Sword

Regards

According to the Swedish State Calendar, he was awarded the Commander 1. class i 1908.

On 15/09/2023 at 04:59, StefanK. said:

What is your opinion on this piece? The piece weights 15.2g (with ribbon) and measures 30,2mm (width). Thanks in advance for your input. Greetings, Stefan

The best site is the Austrian Dorotheum Auction House

The last Auction they have early Original and late Rothe production

You can go to the site and look the last Military Orders Auction and stroll

The originals are at the beginning of the list the new ones are at the end of the Austrian Section

Otherwise is a nice piece

Regards

https://www.dorotheum.com/en/a/96172/

here is the link to the Auction

5 hours ago, Farkas said:

💪💪🍻🍻

 

 

I know it still doesn’t answer your original question but i hope you might enjoy seeing these other examples i have... you never know, you may even recognise the names!

 

SGT Welsh Guards 

 

 

 

& In Silver.

SGT Honourable Artillery Company

 

 

 

Cheers

tony 🍻

Nice one

On 19/11/2016 at 20:42, augustin1813 said:

A nice document for the knight cross of the Virtuti Militari for major Dautencourt of d'Autencourt (1er chevau-légers-lanciers de la Garde Impériale), november 26 1810, signed by Joseph Poniatowsky.

Nice Document

Interesting photo of King Boris in Navy uniform

19 hours ago, Marcon1 said:

Hiya,

 

Although my eyesight might not be what it ones was I do seem to see that the Coat of Arms is divided into 4 quarters.

top left and bottom right blue with some image while the other 2 quarters look like gold with some image.

Also, that dark blob in the middle, could that be another image ??

Could this therefor be one of those German states (pre 1914) crosses ??

 

Marcon1.

 

 

I agree more images we need

Grand Officer Class of the Belgium Order of the Crown is awarded without a Cross or a badge

Only a Star is awarded.

The French LOH Grand Officer consists Star and a breast badge

Here is am image of the Order

Yes The central part looks a bit different an bigger

Can you list the reverse and also if you have it in hands -the size

On 28/04/2023 at 05:05, Claudio said:

Dear forumites,

 

herewith I’m announcing that today I just joined the club of the Tamara Order’s owner… an interesting group of a Bavarian NCO. The Tamara Order is made of Silber (marked on the pin) . Maker is Zimmermann in Pforzheim… a real beauty and very heavy too! 😊

😍

 

nice group

20 hours ago, augustin1813 said:

Very nice! And with a nice box!

20 hours ago, augustin1813 said:

Very nice! And with a nice box!

Yes indeed The box is correct red for military Division Orders

 

Regards

Nice Grand Officer Star - Military Division

On 06/09/2023 at 10:59, Farkas said:

After further review- i no longer think the four lugs examples i found are original pre 1958 style. The details in the fingers vary slightly on each design. Of my examples are some possibly fake or from the short period they used Anodised Aluminium (58-61ish) before their amalgamation, and others that are genuine later Royal Highlanders badges.

 

 

I thought that i had found another Seaforth Highlanders badge in my box,

 

but... it had four lugs which seemed too much of a coincidence given the subject

 

So that is what led me look further & soon i worked out mine and the others are in fact part of the later Royal Highlanders badge. 👇

 

—-///-/

 

 

 

Finding 1 out of 2 isn't bad 😊

but shame I didn’t find the four lug badge of folklore fame!

 

In my opinion anyone that said they found one (the chances are...) didn’t, though of course it’s possible.

The original officer version, though almost identical to OR’s, was visibly in two pieces. That leaves the newer post 1961 badges like mine, that have 4 lugs as the most likely true identity...

 🤷‍♂️ who knows for sure though eh... not me!

 

 

But Its been fun looking, Ive identified my badges and learnt a bit which is the point. 😊. 

 

Cheers 

tony. 🍻

 

 

 

Good work Good fun as well