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I do not understand this post. regarding 'soap and cheese'. I am not familiar with this phrase. I hope it is not, as the English say....'taking the p--s'. My apologies if I have given any offense. I am simply trying to learn the details of the photo of Leopold and the uniform details. I hope someone can post wartime photos of the 1915 bluse with the WW2 shade dark green collar, rather than the reseda green shade. I cannot find them. The photo of Leopold is black and white so it is subjective as to the color but to my eye it looks darker than reseda green and more like the WW2 shade, so likely post-war. Mackensen and Ludendorff also appear in photos wearing this darker green collar on bluse uniforms but they are post war.

I have not seen many (any) wartime examples of the 1915 bluse with the dark 'bottle green' collar, instead of the lighter reseda green. It seems most photos that show the dark green collar are post-war, like the many of Ludendorff wearing a bluse style uniform. His wartime 'bluse' photos show a lighter reseda green collar. Mackensen also, as he appears in his honorary infantry regimental bluse, has the dark green collar in a post war photo. Does anyone have better photos -dated in wartime -that show this darker green collar? It seems more likely this photo of Leopold is post-war.

...and the darker collar cloth to be post-war?

Is the rose red over the cornflower blue the 'peacetime' shoulder board combination and the earlier times underlay would have been only the rose red?

Bayern: Thank you! I think that answers it. Given the darker green collar cloth, this may even be a post-war photo?

...is that a "7" beneath the crossed batons on the epaulette? 7th Dragoons?

OK, what uniform is he wearing here? It is probably a Prussian uniform, because he gives precedence to his Prussian medals and orders, which he does not when he wears Bavarian uniform. He was an honorary 'chef' or ala suite to some Prussian regiments, a dragoon regiment, I think. Anyway, any ideas what this rig represents? What color would the shoulder cord underlay be?

yes, so awards after that, if named, would reflect that 'HM...'. The VO chain, given by Edward VII, for example, would have 'HRH ..Prince of Wales'? As would other medals he had received between his investiture and accession.

The hunt for a better photo continues......

...or HRM The Prince of Wales, depending when he got them? Would they be named at all?

Yes. So, altogether, George V is wearing some pretty unique stuff, befitting his status as monarch and also making it pretty tough to recreate, at a reasonable cost, for a display.

But the above photos, although ambiguous, seem to show a silver toned headpiece, not a yellow gold.

Please let me know if anyone sees further copy medals for sale.

The bottom color photo above shows what clearly looks like a white metal head. If it's gold, it's white gold, then.

On a further link of recipients, I do see George V, awarded the chain by his father Edward VII.

Didn't his own son, the future George V also receive the chain?

My personal thanks to all who contributed. I think this has been 'nailed down'.

Thanks, that seems the proper identifications.

P.F., thanks for this picture. This seems to follow the medals suggested by Oamotme, no?

oamotme: That's impressive! I can't make them all out but that's the answer for now. Thank you. I will have to research that Imperial Service Order. Haven't seen one and want to know more about it. I'll get me Spinks out.

Thanks, Japan X. These are much better. I am confident that the collar is the GCVO but the upper neck order could be a Grand Commander of the Order of the Bath or a Guelphic Order. I'd guess the former. Medal bar? I can guess a few. I see a St George/St Michael and Victorian Order, and perhaps a Star of India; Probably a Military Bath at the far left. AT this date, near the right, he'd have 'pip, squeak and Wilfred', the WW1 trio, wouldn't he?

No takers? Really? Poor George V!

OK, I suppose this will be 'duck soup' for our British members. What Orders, specifically neck decorations/collars, breast stars and medals does George V wear on his Fleet Admiral and Field Marshal rigs? I'm guessing the neck gongs are the Military Bath GC and the collar is the Victorian Order, but who can see well enough to know for sure? The breast stars here are the Garter and the Military Bath GC; On his Fleet Admiral uniform he often wore the Star of India star and another breast star I can't make out. The medal bar appears to have some very odd/rare things.

ErWeSa: Thank you. This is helpful. Still not sure what the head piece is made of, e.g. what 'gold fittings' refers to. Headpiece? White gold or yellow gold?

This photo is of Eddie Rickenbacker's surviving uniform blouse from the First World War. Let's assume it's real and of the period as it does not include his MOH awarded when one of his EIGHT Distinguished service crosses was upgraded to the MOH in 1930. As I understand it, the rules for subsequent awards are as follows: The ribbon itself represents the first award; a bronze oak leaf represents a single subsequent award and a silver oak leaf (here, the look like French Croix de Guerre palm leaves) represents FIVE subsequent awards. Here, Rickenbacker's tailor or someone has really gone outside the box. He wears TWO DSC ribbons (OK, maybe allowable for the many awards of this medal....but...the first ribbon shows a single Bronze leaf and two silver ones. That'd be 12 awards for that first position ribbons, right? The second ribbon bears four silver leaves which would be 21! counting the ribbon itself. So he's showing 33 awards? I'm sure that's not what he intended so.... It's most likely that the photo gives a false view of the colors of the leaves and that they're all bronze, which would then square it except the second ribbon would technically make the total display for 9 awards. I'm guessing that's what's going on. Does anyone have a better picture of this uniform or at least his ribbons? The more I study this photo, the more it seems that the camera has played the trick because the undeniably bronze leaves on the Croix de Guerre also look the same silver-ish shade as the DSC ones. Well, Ok. As Emily Littella (Gilda Radner) used to say on SNL: "Never mind..."