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OK, What's Leopold wearing? (Please ignore the photo of Ludwig III. Loaded by mistake-can't delete it!). I can guess or make out: 1. St George 1889 Jubilee medal 2. Max Joseph Order 3. Military Merit Order 3rd with swords 4. Ludwig Order 5. Luitpold 1909 70 year Jubilee medal 6. 7. Saxon ST. Henry medal? 7-9. Hanseatic crosses 10. Centenary Medal 11. Austrian FJ Tapferkeit 12. Centenary Medal 13. Turkish Lyakut medal

What medals have we here? I'd guess: 1.1889 St George Jubilee medal; 2. Luitpold 1909 70-year Jubilee medal with crown 3. Long service medal 4. 5. 6' 7. 8. Austrian Signum Laudis

Walter: Thank you very much. I would be very grateful.

Thank you, Waldo! That answers definitively the question of precedence. Perfect! I would only be interested in purchasing a copy because I am not a medal collector. I replicate uniforms and make medal and ribbon bars to complete the uniform displays. I hope to find another copy of this medal sometime. I would certainly welcome any help from members of this forum to find one. Thank you. All my questions have been answered. This forum is a terrific resource.

If anyone has a copy they'd part with, or finds a copy for sale, please let me know. I'd like to have another one for a medal bar project. Thanks!

Vernon's Collector's Guide lists this medal under the category of "Military and House Order of St. George" and shows it being awarded in both gold and silver.

I felt lucky to get this one as I've never seen another replica one and certainly couldn't afford a real one, particularly just to hang on a display uniform. Here is an excerpt from another forum providing the Bavarian precedence: ) St. George Order's 1889 Jubilee Medal 2) Military Max Joseph Order 3) Military Medical Decorations 4) Military Merit Order with Swords 5) Military Merit Medal (later changed to Bravery Medals) 6) Military Merit Cross with Swords 7) Military Merit Order for peacetime ? Merit Order of the Bavarian Crown 9) Merit Order of Saint Michael 10) Maximilian Order for Science and Art 11) Ludwig Order 11a) Military Merit Cross for peacetime (not mentioned) 12) Merit Cross for the Years 1870/71 13) Lifesaving Medal 14) Ludwig Medal 15) Merit Cross for Voluntary Care of the Sick 16) Prussian Iron Cross 2nd Class 16a) Ludwig Cross of 1916 (statutory precedence not found) 17) Bavarian Jubilee Medals 18) Orders of other German states 19) 1870/71 War Medal 20) 1866 War Cross 21) 1849 Campaign Medal (Pfalz rebellion suppression) 22) 1849 War Cross (Imperial contingent against Denmark) 23) Colonial Medal, Southwest Africa Medal, China Medal 24) Long Service Awards 25) Voluntary Care of the Sick Long Service Awards 26) Medals of other German states 27) Non German Orders, Decorations, and Medals If anyone sees another copy offered, please let me know. I'd like a 'spare'.

Does anyone know why this medal had such high precedence?

Please tell me how I can obtain a meter of this?

I just acquired a 'museum specimen' of the St George Jubilee medal of 1889. This medal appears on the medal bars for various Bavarian high-and-mighties like Rupprecht, Alfons, etc. . My sources say it had precedence over the Military Max Joseph order on the medal bar and the photos available online seem to confirm this. I have two questions: 1. Why was this medal so highly regarded? It's a Jubilee medal, and rather ordinary looking, too. 2. Where in God's name will I get more ribbon to mount it? My online searches have been fruitless and there's no 'look-alike' ribbon among world medals that I've yet found.

Interesting examples of the Bavarian general's collar patches being worn backward and even upside down! (Gen. Gruber)

Interesting to see Bavarian King Ludwig III above, wearing his field gray uniform with his usual eccentricity of reversed collar tabs. Anyone know why he did this?

Here is the photo. The silver one is all dead gimp; the gold ones are gimp and Orris.

My small accumulation: Aigs.eml

That's exactly the one I have and another one just like it in gold. Got them many years ago from a family of collectors who came to our local military shows. They didn't need them for their own displays so I bought them, along with that other simpler silver one I described, I will try to get a picture up soon.

Sandro Thanks for this. It adds much more and I'm satisfied about the Mackensen and Kaiser aiguillettes, General's pattern of gold, triple braid of the gimp and Orris cord. I have a silver aiguillette that is simpler, only one plaited braid of double cords in the herringbone pattern, not the triple as for generals, and one looped cord.(This is from memory. It's in my bits box and I haven't looked at it for a while) It's the same gimp and Orris cord material, and has the button hole piece attached, in a silver tape braid. It doesn't appear to have been anything else, e.g., damaged or missing cords. This is what prompted my curiosity about these aiguillettes in general, and, since the Germans seemed to have regulated everything else in such detail, thought it might be an example of a variation of these that would be for a lower ranking officer, among perhaps a lot of variations. Maybe someday someone (not me, I don't have the resources and particularly value this forum and knowledgeable folks like yourself who are willing to share their expertise and resources. And to overlook my in-artful expression!) will put together a comprehensive book or article on aiguillettes that includes photos of examples. The resources you included do have a lot of detail. Thanks again, this helps. P

Sandro: I apologize for any offense, unintended to be sure, and thank you for your help. I do not read German and envy you for that. This does answer some of my questions about these aiguillettes but not all. I will parse through the text of the Verlag book and hope it will address whether there were variations for rank of the wearer or the rank of the personage he was serving. I regret that my response came off as 'high handed' ! I'm pretty humble and deservedly so, my wife assures me.

Sandro: Thanks for your reply. I referenced the Verlag book in my posts and it is a fine reference. It doesn't, however, have much detail on the various styles and the particulars for wearing the aiguillettes. They were for parade yes, but they did, according to most references and many comments on the photos of von Mackensen in particular, reflect status as a general officer-ranked adjutant of the Kaisers. It is my belief that lower-ranking officers wore simpler aiguillettes and the pattern and braid type may have been different depending on both the rank of the adjutant and the rank of the big shot to whom he was assigned. I have both silver and gold gimp and Orris braid Imperial Geman aiguillettes that are similar to the ones worn by von Mackensen and the Kaiser. These are gold gimp and Orris. Mine lack the center ridge of plaiting/braiding, however, and so I believe are for a lower-ranking officer adjutant. We can hope that someone with some detailed knowledge of Imperial German Army aiguillettes will join our conversation on this topic, which I think is important enough to merit some more information.

No help? This subject gets little attention in any of the uniform references, even the Verlag books, such as The German Generals, except to show a general's example for parade dress. I have gold and silver examples in the gimp and Orris that lack the center plaiting but have no idea who wore them or why, except to guess they were for adjutants below general rank. BTW, if you are trying to reproduce this for a display, you'll find the gimp and Orris cord hard to find and very expensive when you do. The plaiting is different than the British ones that are very similar. These German ones are wider and 'denser' plaiting, managed with the addition of two gold wrapped cords through the plaiting at either side. I have one made many years ago by Hand & Locke, using cord left over from a job for the Sultan of Brunei, and it cost me body parts then, which I didn't mind, having already had my children.

The Kaiser and von Mackensen were two oft-photographed big shots who wore aiguillettes with their uniforms, to commemorate their appointments as Aides de Camp to Kaiser Willy I, etc.. The plaiting of these aiguillettes is very like the British senior officer aiguillettes, a herringbone style and with a central row of plaits. I cannot braid so I have no idea what this style is called. The cords, from my observation, seem to be gimp and Orris. Does anyone know the rules for these particular aiguillettes, whether the particular style of plaiting and gimp and Orris cording were specified? Can't find anything in the references I have, on this.

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