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    1. On 24/05/2020 at 06:11, GdC26 said:

      Chris, 

      Here is your answer for Bavaria, I believe (which I think is what you actually were looking for).

      On a quick reading, in essence, as of 1873, Achselbänder (which included the Generalsgeflecht denoting rank) only existed for officers of general rank, Achselschnure for adjutants of any rank (with colors denoting differences in rank and station).  

      With the abolishment of the general's parade dress in 1910, Achselbänder, although not abolished, practicallyally became redundant (as a practical matter, the Generalsgeflecht could not be worn with epualettes) as generals switched to wearing Achselschnüre.

      As an aside I noted that adjutant cords should have closed crown tips, Flügeladjutanten and princely adjutants open crowned tips.

      Hope this helps, 

      Sandro

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      What is the book these are from?

    2. Ian: Thank you!  Both the Iron Crown and the Franz Joseph look like non-combatant awards...no laurel leaves on the Iron Crown and the FJ is not on the war ribbon. I don't think it would make a difference if they were otherwise, as far as precedence, yes?

    3. Austrian. I have read in one source that the Franz Joseph Order was most often awarded for non-combat service, but many officers received decorations for both combat and non-fighting service, so I'm not sure that explains it.

       

      I have searched this forum and online including photos of generals and field marshals of the WW1 era and can't find one example of both worn on a medal bar together. 

    4. Deruelle: That is a good photo. Wish it was larger. To me, it's clear he's wearing a device besides rank pips but can't make out if it's the 'Alexander III' cipher or the winged propeller air service device.  He has the Pour le Merite and is evidently wearing a bandage on his scalp, held on by cords under his jaw, behind his ear, so it's after the date of his severe wounding in July, 1917.  Since April of that year, he was a Captain (Rittmeister) so would be wearing two rank stars/pips.

    5. Yes I just found these today on another forum. Your photos are larger and very clear. It's a shame these are black and white pictures, although the field uniform pair appear to be the subdued cords on white underlay and a secondary underlay (red?) which does not show readily on most photos of him. These would have been before his promotions, which raises some issues of the subdued cords on his early uniform, as these may not have been available then?

      One reference (Osprey WW1 German Air Service) has a color plate that purports to show Von Richthofen attending a friend's wedding wearing a nicer version of his Uhlanka which is described as having the regimental ciphers, the airservice propeller cipher AND his two rank pips. A lot of devices all crowded on that small 'real estate'. 

      Not helpful, really, in trying to discern what he wore on his field uniform. 

      I remain hopeful that the answer is out there....

    6. Does anyone really know what style shoulder boards Von Richthofen wore on his uhlanka?  Colorized photos are unreliable and there are no examples of his uniforms that I have found online that are surviving. There's 'what he should have worn' subdued pattern silver/gray on white underlay  and subdued 'Alexander III' monogram and crown plus rank pips, and the possible pre-war bright silver on white, with gilt ciphers and rank pips.

      And...He could have worn the gilt insignia on the subdued boards.

      And...he could have swapped out the 'Alexander III' cipher and crown for the winged propeller device, although the photos aren't clear enough to support that.

      Can't tell from any sources I've found what he, in fact, wore. Any information on this? 

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