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    1. OK, referring only to the top photo, what about this order:

      1.       St George Order 1889 Jubilee Medal

      2.       Military Max Joseph Order

      3.       BVMO 3rd + swords

      4.       Ludwig Order

      5.       Iron Cross 2nd

      6.       Luitpold 1908 Jubilee Medal (70 Years)

      7..    Mecklenburg-Schwerin 1870 Cross

      8.      1870 Medal + 7 clasps

      9.      Bav 1866 cross

      10.  Prussian Centenary Medal

      11.   Saxon St Henry cross

      12-14.   Hanseatic Crosses Bremen, Hamburg, Lubeck

      15.   Bavarian 40 years service cross

      16.   Austrian 1898 Jubilee Tapferkeit cross

      17.   Austrian 1908 Jubilee medal

      18.   Turkish Lyakut medal

    2. Can anyone help identify the medals in the photo of Leopold above, wearing what looks like a post-war or late-war bar (Pour le Merite with oakleaf and Iron Cross Grand Cross worn, for example)?

      I can see the Military Merit Order 3rd class with swords, a Leopold Order, his 1870-71 medal, with bars, Saxon St Henry, Hanseatic Crosses and the FJ tapferkeit, for example.

    3. OK, What's Leopold wearing? (Please ignore the photo of Ludwig III. Loaded by mistake-can't delete it!). 

      I can guess or make out:

      1. St George 1889 Jubilee medal

      2. Max Joseph Order

      3. Military Merit Order 3rd with swords

      4. Ludwig Order

      5. Luitpold 1909 70 year Jubilee medal

      6.

      7. Saxon ST. Henry medal? 

      7-9.  Hanseatic crosses

      10. Centenary Medal

      11. Austrian FJ Tapferkeit

      12. Centenary Medal

      13. Turkish Lyakut medal

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    4. Thank you, Waldo!  That answers definitively the question of precedence. Perfect! 

      I would only be interested in purchasing a copy because I am not a medal collector.  I replicate uniforms and make medal and ribbon bars to complete the uniform displays. I hope to find another copy of this medal sometime. I would certainly welcome any help from members of this forum to find one. Thank you. 

      All my questions have been answered. This forum is a terrific resource. 

    5. I felt lucky to get this one as I've never seen another replica one and certainly couldn't afford a real one, particularly just to hang on a display uniform.

      Here is an excerpt from another forum providing the Bavarian precedence:

      ) St. George Order's 1889 Jubilee Medal
      2) Military Max Joseph Order
      3) Military Medical Decorations  
      4) Military Merit Order with Swords
      5) Military Merit Medal (later changed to Bravery Medals)
      6) Military Merit Cross with Swords
      7) Military Merit Order for peacetime 
      ? Merit Order of the Bavarian Crown
      9) Merit Order of Saint Michael
      10) Maximilian Order for Science and Art
      11) Ludwig Order
      11a) Military Merit Cross for peacetime (not mentioned)
      12) Merit Cross for the Years 1870/71
      13) Lifesaving Medal
      14) Ludwig Medal
      15) Merit Cross for Voluntary Care of the Sick
      16) Prussian Iron Cross 2nd Class
      16a) Ludwig Cross of 1916 (statutory precedence not found)
      17) Bavarian Jubilee Medals
      18) Orders of other German states
      19) 1870/71 War Medal
      20) 1866 War Cross
      21) 1849 Campaign Medal (Pfalz rebellion suppression)
      22) 1849 War Cross (Imperial contingent against Denmark)
      23) Colonial Medal, Southwest Africa Medal, China Medal
      24) Long Service Awards
      25) Voluntary Care of the Sick Long Service Awards
      26) Medals of other German states
      27) Non German Orders, Decorations, and Medals

       

      If anyone sees another copy offered, please let me know. I'd like a 'spare'.

    6. I just acquired a 'museum specimen' of the  St George Jubilee medal of 1889. This medal appears on the medal bars for various Bavarian high-and-mighties like Rupprecht, Alfons, etc. . My sources say it had precedence over the Military Max Joseph order on the medal bar and the photos available online seem to confirm this. I have two questions:

      1. Why was this medal so highly regarded? It's a Jubilee medal, and rather ordinary looking, too.

      2. Where in God's name will I get more ribbon to mount it?  My online searches have been fruitless and there's no 'look-alike' ribbon among world medals that I've yet found. m19_11672.jpg.86e11c78757eb7b742770d6308c5069d.jpg

    7. Sandro  Thanks for this.  It adds much more and I'm satisfied about the Mackensen and Kaiser aiguillettes, General's pattern of gold, triple braid of the gimp and Orris cord.

      I have a silver aiguillette that is simpler, only one plaited braid of double cords in the herringbone pattern, not the triple as for generals, and one looped cord.(This is from memory. It's in my bits box and I haven't looked at it for a while)  It's the same gimp and Orris cord material, and has the button hole piece attached, in a silver tape braid. It doesn't appear to have been anything else, e.g., damaged or missing cords. This is what prompted my curiosity about these aiguillettes in general, and, since the Germans seemed to have regulated everything else in such detail, thought it might be an example of a variation of these that would be for a lower ranking officer, among perhaps a lot of variations.

      Maybe someday someone (not me, I don't have the resources and particularly value this forum and knowledgeable folks like yourself who are willing to share their expertise and resources.  And to overlook my in-artful expression!) will put together a comprehensive book or article on aiguillettes that includes photos of examples. The resources you included do have a lot of detail.

      Thanks again, this helps.  P

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