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OK, referring only to the top photo, what about this order:

1.       St George Order 1889 Jubilee Medal

2.       Military Max Joseph Order

3.       BVMO 3^rd + swords

4.       Ludwig Order

5.       Iron Cross 2^nd

6.       Luitpold 1908 Jubilee Medal (70 Years)

7..    Mecklenburg-Schwerin 1870 Cross

8.      1870 Medal + 7 clasps

9.      Bav 1866 cross

10.  Prussian Centenary Medal

11.   Saxon St Henry cross

12-14.   Hanseatic Crosses Bremen, Hamburg, Lubeck

15.   Bavarian 40 years service cross

16.   Austrian 1898 Jubilee Tapferkeit cross

17.   Austrian 1908 Jubilee medal

18.   Turkish Lyakut medal

OK, here's another one, probably not too difficult:

What are medals 1, 5, 6 and 8?

1. Bavarian MMO 3?

2. HHO 3 w/s

3. Red Eagle 3rd with bow

4. Crown order 3rd

5. Prussian long service?

6. China medal?

7. Centenary Medal

8.Anhalt Albrecht the Bear 1st?

9. Austrian Crown Order

59 minutes ago, Daniel Krause said:

Austrian Jubilee-Medal 1908 would be my bet.

 

Best,

Daniel

For the medal in front of the Turkish Lyakut medal in the top photo?

Can anyone help identify the medals in the photo of Leopold above, wearing what looks like a post-war or late-war bar (Pour le Merite with oakleaf and Iron Cross Grand Cross worn, for example)?

I can see the Military Merit Order 3rd class with swords, a Leopold Order, his 1870-71 medal, with bars, Saxon St Henry, Hanseatic Crosses and the FJ tapferkeit, for example.

Scheissplatzmeister: Thank you!  That photo is invaluable.  That's the best photo of a medal bar belonging to one of the Great War Bavarian field marshals that I have seen.  Thank you again for sharing this!

Is that a ribbon for a Russian St. George Medal at the far right?

I hope a copy will come to market, offered as a copy instead of a real one.

Does this medal bar still exist?  In a museum?

Where's his Iron Cross 2nd class?  1870-71 medal?

1. That's probably correct and I have a good copy of that to switch out on this bar.

2. Yes, I found a decent replica of this wedding anniversary medal and mounted it on this ribbon bar replica. The ribbon was not easy to find, although now I have seen it offered online. 

OK, What's Leopold wearing? (Please ignore the photo of Ludwig III. Loaded by mistake-can't delete it!). 

I can guess or make out:

1. St George 1889 Jubilee medal

2. Max Joseph Order

3. Military Merit Order 3rd with swords

4. Ludwig Order

5. Luitpold 1909 70 year Jubilee medal

6.

7. Saxon ST. Henry medal? 

7-9.  Hanseatic crosses

10. Centenary Medal

11. Austrian FJ Tapferkeit

12. Centenary Medal

13. Turkish Lyakut medal

What medals have we here?   I'd guess:

1.1889 St George Jubilee medal; 

2. Luitpold 1909 70-year Jubilee medal with crown

3. Long service medal

4.

5.

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7.

8. Austrian Signum Laudis

Walter: Thank you very much. I would be very grateful. 

Thank you, Waldo!  That answers definitively the question of precedence. Perfect! 

I would only be interested in purchasing a copy because I am not a medal collector.  I replicate uniforms and make medal and ribbon bars to complete the uniform displays. I hope to find another copy of this medal sometime. I would certainly welcome any help from members of this forum to find one. Thank you. 

All my questions have been answered. This forum is a terrific resource. 

If anyone has a copy they'd part with, or finds a copy for sale, please let me know. I'd like to have another one for a medal bar project. Thanks!

Vernon's Collector's Guide lists this medal under the category of "Military and House Order of St. George" and shows it being awarded in both gold and silver.

I felt lucky to get this one as I've never seen another replica one and certainly couldn't afford a real one, particularly just to hang on a display uniform.

Here is an excerpt from another forum providing the Bavarian precedence:

) St. George Order's 1889 Jubilee Medal
2) Military Max Joseph Order
3) Military Medical Decorations  
4) Military Merit Order with Swords
5) Military Merit Medal (later changed to Bravery Medals)
6) Military Merit Cross with Swords
7) Military Merit Order for peacetime 
? Merit Order of the Bavarian Crown
9) Merit Order of Saint Michael
10) Maximilian Order for Science and Art
11) Ludwig Order
11a) Military Merit Cross for peacetime (not mentioned)
12) Merit Cross for the Years 1870/71
13) Lifesaving Medal
14) Ludwig Medal
15) Merit Cross for Voluntary Care of the Sick
16) Prussian Iron Cross 2nd Class
16a) Ludwig Cross of 1916 (statutory precedence not found)
17) Bavarian Jubilee Medals
18) Orders of other German states
19) 1870/71 War Medal
20) 1866 War Cross
21) 1849 Campaign Medal (Pfalz rebellion suppression)
22) 1849 War Cross (Imperial contingent against Denmark)
23) Colonial Medal, Southwest Africa Medal, China Medal
24) Long Service Awards
25) Voluntary Care of the Sick Long Service Awards
26) Medals of other German states
27) Non German Orders, Decorations, and Medals

If anyone sees another copy offered, please let me know. I'd like a 'spare'.

Does anyone know why this medal had such high precedence?

Please tell me how I can obtain a meter of this?

I just acquired a 'museum specimen' of the  St George Jubilee medal of 1889. This medal appears on the medal bars for various Bavarian high-and-mighties like Rupprecht, Alfons, etc. . My sources say it had precedence over the Military Max Joseph order on the medal bar and the photos available online seem to confirm this. I have two questions:

1. Why was this medal so highly regarded? It's a Jubilee medal, and rather ordinary looking, too.

2. Where in God's name will I get more ribbon to mount it?  My online searches have been fruitless and there's no 'look-alike' ribbon among world medals that I've yet found. 

Interesting examples of the Bavarian general's collar patches being worn backward and even upside down! (Gen. Gruber)

Interesting to see Bavarian King Ludwig III above, wearing his field gray uniform with his usual eccentricity of reversed collar tabs. Anyone know why he did this?

Here is the photo.  The silver one is all dead gimp; the gold ones are gimp and Orris.

My small accumulation:

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That's exactly the one I have and another one just like it in gold.  Got them many years ago from a family of collectors who came to our local military shows. They didn't need them for their own displays so I bought them, along with that other simpler silver one I described,  I will try to get a picture up soon.

Sandro  Thanks for this.  It adds much more and I'm satisfied about the Mackensen and Kaiser aiguillettes, General's pattern of gold, triple braid of the gimp and Orris cord.

I have a silver aiguillette that is simpler, only one plaited braid of double cords in the herringbone pattern, not the triple as for generals, and one looped cord.(This is from memory. It's in my bits box and I haven't looked at it for a while)  It's the same gimp and Orris cord material, and has the button hole piece attached, in a silver tape braid. It doesn't appear to have been anything else, e.g., damaged or missing cords. This is what prompted my curiosity about these aiguillettes in general, and, since the Germans seemed to have regulated everything else in such detail, thought it might be an example of a variation of these that would be for a lower ranking officer, among perhaps a lot of variations.

Maybe someday someone (not me, I don't have the resources and particularly value this forum and knowledgeable folks like yourself who are willing to share their expertise and resources.  And to overlook my in-artful expression!) will put together a comprehensive book or article on aiguillettes that includes photos of examples. The resources you included do have a lot of detail.

Thanks again, this helps.  P