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50 minutes ago, VtwinVince said:

You mean Seeckt?

Yes! My bad!

1 hour ago, pinpon590 said:

2 : seems be RAO 4 with X ?

6 : yes, china medal I think too ...

 

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I believe the Red Eagle 4th is in 3rd place; the 2nd place medal looks too dark.  My guess is, for now, it's the 1934 Hiindenburg Cross worn as a war decoration, as it's the only medal with swords in that shape. And, during the Weimar period, until '35, pretty much anything goes as far as ordering. 

Agree #6 is the China Medal, probably non-combatant as I don't think he took part in the action against the Boxers in 1901.

MAKING THIS A SEPARATE THREAD:

He's wearing a 7 place medal bar.  I make these to be:

1. IC 2nd (1914)

2. ?

3. Prussian Red Eagle 4th, with crown, w/o swords

4. Prussian Crown order 3rd w/o swords

5. Prussian officer long service cross

6. ? Some kind of China service medal?

7. Centenary Medal

He's wearing a 7 place medal bar.  I make these to be:

1. IC 2nd (1914)

2. ?

3. Prussian Red Eagle 4th, with crown, w/o swords

4. Prussian Crown order 3rd w/o swords

5. Prussian officer long service cross

6. ? Some kind of China service medal?

7. Centenary Medal

OK, here's a puzzler for photo interpretation or anyone who has a rangelist. Hans von Seekt often wore infantry regimental uniform (white shoulder board underlay, infantry officer collar litzen). I cannot find any reference to his being ala suite or honorary chef of an infantry regiment until 1936, the year he died, when he received the honor for the 67th IR. The photos are not distinct enough for my eye or computer, but look like a '6'.  Does anyone know what other regiments he may have been honored by?

PS. I also note that he appears to be wearing the slip on style shoulder boards.

ALSO:  He's wearing a 7 place medal bar.  I make these to be:

1. IC 2nd (1914)

2. ?

3. ?

4. Prussian Crown order 3rd w/o swords

5. Prussian officer long service cross

6. ?

7. Centenary Medal

PS. I note he appears to be wearing slip on style boards....unusual.

OK, here's a puzzler for photo interpretation or anyone who has a rangelist. Hans von Seekt often wore infantry regimental uniform (white shoulder board underlay, infantry officer collar litzen). I cannot find any reference to his being ala suite or honorary chef of an infantry regiment until 1936, the year he died, when he received the honor for the 67th IR. The photos are not distinct enough for my eye or computer, but look like a '6'.  Does anyone know what other regiments he may have been honored by?

PS. I also note that he appears to be wearing the slip on style shoulder boards.

OK, not strictly an Imperial German topic but thought I'd start here. Hans von Seekt often wore infantry regimental uniform (white shoulder board underlay, infantry officer collar litzen). I cannot find any reference to his being ala suite or honorary chef of an infantry regiment until 1936, the year he died, when he received the honor for the 67th IR. The photos are not distinct enough for my eye or computer, but look like a '6'.  Does anyone know what other regiments he may have been honored by?

On 13/10/2023 at 13:20, Mike Huxley said:

Your right about experienced collectors, and I am amongst them for many years. However I am referring to the not so experienced who may be trapped into thinking a piece is genuine. With the rise in methods of reproducing medals it is easy for the unsuspecting to even get caught out by reproductions, as we have seen even on here over the last few years.

 

I decry any form of reproduction and feel that all those perpetrating this should be called out.

 

The interest and hobby is about collecting and researching the real bars and medals that were won by many very brave people throughout history, not the replication of made up ones.

 

That's me finished with this subject.

 

All the best, Mike

Mike: Well said, from your point of view. I think we are talking about two separate hobbies. There is the hobby of genuine military medal, uniform and relic collecting. That is not mine, or what I am doing. My hobby (and others) is the recreation of the uniforms, including decorations, of historical military figures. It would be impractical, unaffordable and unnecessary to find and acquire genuine originals for this purpose. It is perhaps more akin to reenacting, which also focuses on reproduction to the highest degree possible. 

I will say again that I don't believe there is the slightest chance a novice collector would be interested in, let alone be 'fooled' by any of my own efforts, no matter how well I try to make them. 

I am sorry you feel as you do about my efforts. It truly does cause me distress as I have no intention of causing anyone any mischief. I suppose it counts for something that comparatively few people are trying to make these recreations as they are very time consuming and not without some expense. 

11 hours ago, Mike Huxley said:

I also agree with doing the same as you, and in fact did this for my late Father-in-law, who's medals from WWII were lost during a house move. The difference is, his medals were kept in the family and can be backed up by his official service records of awards. My gripe is about reproducing historic bars that have no connection to you and include genuine medals and not ones that are identifiable as replicas. These types of bar can in the future be passed on and find their way onto the open market for vast sums of money, that some poor individual who doesn't have the full knowledge of it's background will buy.

By all means, make a replica bar, but use medals that are fully identifiable as replicas.

I certainly prefer replicas, but very good ones. Who wants to pay for a real medal when the intent is to complete a uniform display of a famous person? Not me. However, when a copy hasn't been made or isn't readily available, and a real one is affordable, I'm not gonna let the project stall for the sake of that. 

I really don't imagine that the medal or ribbon bars of Ludwit III, Moltke, Kaiser Wilhelm I or II, or Prince Leopold or George the V or Edward VII (all past projects with uniforms) would be purchased by anyone who hadn't some serious knowledge and insistence on provenance. My conscience is clear.

17 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

I agree, I've produced a couple of medal bars to replicate lost family pieces.

Good for you! That's a great thing to do. 

I understand Old Contemptible's position and it's shared by more than a few, but the older I get, the less patience I have with the 'if it's not real, you can't have it' mindset. That would mean that only very rich, connected collectors could have fine examples of rare or hard to find pieces. That would deny us 'hoi polloi' any chance to own well made facsimiles of the things many of us have dreamt of having since childhood. That seems very mean spirited indeed. 

NO ONE WANTS FRAUD OR FRAUDSTERS! There is a very great difference between producing well made, accurate copies and copies that are manipulated with the intent to deceive. 

19 hours ago, Mike Huxley said:

Well I'm afraid, to me, non of it is correct. To replicate a medal bar, that at some time in the future could be passed on as a genuine piece is sacrilege.

 

Sorry, but just my opinion.  

Respectfully, no serious collector would be fooled by my replications. The quality of the materials and the construction of the originals will certainly put them apart. There is no good reason, in my opinion, to deny anyone who has the interest and the means, to enjoy having a well made replica of historical clothing, equipment or decorations. It is a hobby unto itself and of course, everyone should decry any attempts to defraud anyone. That's what makes the study and examination of historical relics important and rewarding.

UPDATE: Well, no one looking at this old thread will care much, but just this morning, the Bavarian 1910 Agricultural Jubilee medal came up on ebay at a reasonable price, so....I will soon swap out the 'ringer' placeholder medal. 

One at a time, I will make it 'alles korrect'.

Waldo: Vielen Danke!

20 hours ago, waldo said:

That will be difficult. I don't know anyone who wants to sell an original 
at the moment. Maybe you can post pictures of your copies here?

VG Walter

Waldo: I am sorry; You misunderstand. I do not want an original!  I only want another copy. I hope you or someone can help me find another COPY of this medal. I know they are out there since I have bought two. 

Also, photo of one of my copies is shown on the medal bar I made, below:

Waldo: I was lucky to find two excellent copies. If you can help me find another, I would be very grateful.

bump

I check Etsy and Ebay often but haven't seen another one for years. 

Still soliciting leads for another copy of this medal. I have only found two and bought them. Would like another one.

If anyone has a copy or reasonably (inexpensive) priced 1908 Jubilee medal for Auslander or the Bavarian Luitpold 1910 Agricultural Jubilee medal, please let me know, by all means!

1812 Overture: Very simply because I could not find one AND because the originals are HIDEOUSLY expensive, far more than I'm willing to pay for a project like this. I prefer to use reproduction medals when available or inexpensive real substitutes.. The obverse bust of the medal I used is very similar, except for the lack of a laurel wreath crown. the medal border is plain, like the original.

OK, here is what we have so far. Still need the parade baton, I'm working on it. 

Yes, the coat is too dark but it is lighter 'in person', more of a royal blue than navy. It photographs darker than it is.

GdC26: That's it. Thank you.

What sash is he wearing in the first (lupper) photo?  'Tinted' photos show a red sash with green borders.  The second photo seems to show a St. George sash.

8 hours ago, waldo said:

The medals were only awarded in gold. However, gold-plated silver medals 
could be obtained privately.

Many greetings, Walter

 

https://www.omsa.org/bayern-st-georgs-medaille-des-haus-ritterordens-vom-heiligen-georg/

 

Walter: I have found two copies of this medal during the past several years. I would like to get another one. Please let me know if you ever find one for sale. Thanks, Phil

FARKAS and Guards Armoured: Thank you!  Beautiful stuff! And, very helpful. I can now sew with confidence.

Farkas: Thank you