Michel

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Hello,

The difference between the first and the second type (mid-war) of sextant is done mainly by the bracket (potence in French) of the sextant.

The first type can be made in bronze or aluminium.

Regards,

Michel

Hello,

Oblt z S Albert Lauzemis picture (U-68), unofficial cap.

Regards,

Michel

Helloe,

It's a good one.

Regards,

Michel

Thanks to all for the participation and information now what is the value for this one, it is not my thema and I would like to sell it.

Prosper, pas de probl?me j'accepte bien volontier tes excuses tu en seras quitte pour un caf? ? la brasserie une prochaine fois

Hello Paul,

Good Bordm?tze, emblem seems to be good but not originally attached on this cap.

Regards,

Michel

Thank you.

Back side.

Hello,

What is it, original or not.

Thanks,

Michel

Thank you to sharing with us.

Always a pleasure to see a KM collection.

Regards,

Michel

Hello Erik,

One picture of my Geissler's group.

Regards,

Michel

Welcome on bord Dave.

Always a pleasure to see your bunker's collection.

Best,

Michel

First and important point, I have no interest with Kai Winkler (as you mentioned to me by PM)

Second point, your opinion is done and you wouldn't change it, even with arguments but I will try to explain for other collectors.

The important point in this discussion is: ?Is it an original cap or not??, the look is not important.

So, we have a Kriegsmarine?s cap that have all the making original criteria, I never seen a fake with all this criteria.

Sadly for this cap, it?s new and unworn.

Now look the different parts of this cap.

It is important to note that photos don?t always give the best view of the general aspect as they tend highlight defaults.

Post 1

Eagle is original and it seems we all agree there.

It is less obvious for the wreath, it seems that there are some ? weakness ? in the rigorous way it should be sewn (we even see the carton board at some places), but it is conform in the details with original wreath, fakes are often missing those details. If these cap was ever worn, time & weather would have move the threads to a more ? homogeneous? definitive position.

Original wreath are more easy to find than eagles, so why a dealer as experimented than Kai Winkler would have take the risk to put a fake wreath knowing it would quickly be detected by knowledgeable collectors.

Concerning the difference in the aspect, it is probably due to the angle of the shot Vs the light intensity.

GD, according to your analyses criteria, if the wreath is fake then the eagle should also be fake as both use the same materials?!

Post 2

Internal blue silk, color and composition appear correct.

Leather sweatband is correctly sewn folded as it should be on the external border..

Post 4

The internal circle of this cap conform to originals, the ? plastic ? has a normal color for a cap in very good condition, don?t look for criteria not linked to the cap.

Silk is pre installed with large sween points with a correct tread, then silk & sweatband are machine sewn directly on the plastic, this type of staple is correct and typical for this type of fabrication.

The ?striures? mark (lignes) on the plastic are also typical.

Post 5

The visor is perfect.

Post 6

This type of chinstrap is not the type most encountered but it has existed (especially for late war visor caps), you have to note the large snap. Regarding the ?used? aspect of it, it is probably due to the ? close examination ? of several persons opening and closing the snap to the point that they have damaged the extremity of the chinstrap.

The mohair is perfect, with again a perfect visor with the usual superior border which conforms to the issued petty officers? visor caps.

Post 7

Nothing special on this pic, general looking is good.

GD, you are invited to post your 65 year old caps (something tells me you will not) and at least a first name as initials are confusing

Mark, you may want to send back the cap but at least it should be because you don?t personally like it but not because it is a fake.

I want to stay open to serious discussion (explanation) in public, but if you have a personnal agenda with me or with this dealer just express yourself.

Regards,

Michel

Don't be impatient GD, I'm French and my english is bad so I need a little time to put a comprehensive answer.

Mark,

I don't need any other pictures, my opinion is the same, this cap is an original one.

Below a picture of the inside of one of mine to compare the making (Berhnard Pleuzer is a prolific maker for the KM caps).

Regards,

Michel

Hello Mark,

Welcome to GMIC, nice to have a new KM collector.

I have seen photos of your cap on WAF, and read some unplaisant comments.

Of course, it's always difficult to have a definitive opinion if you have not the item in your hands, but I think it is a good KM cap even the sweatband is new and can afraid some people, all the other parts are original.

For information, a regular (removable top) KM petty officer cap has never a cellulo?d.

Regards,

Michel

PS : post more pictures on the KM forum for the other GMIC members.

Hello Paul,

All parts are good.

Regards,

Michel

I am the "crazy guy" who was the second owner of Khun bordjacke.

After several weeks of dealing Michel was very kind and said yes to sell me that tunic at the agrred price. It was a very nice one and full of story but I had to sell it for get the cap of a Uboat RK winner.

I really didnt sell to the dealer the tunic at that price as was a complete group that I sold for get the cash I need for my RK winner cap, but the dealer wanted to put the tunic at that price.

Again thanks to Michel for let me get so wonderfull tunic from his excellent collection.

Hello Victor,

Thanks in advance to share with us your new U-Boot RK winner cap.

Regards,

Michel

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Hello Eduardo,

Sadly no, the same for his named blue tunic and white cap, maybe one day.

I had, in my collection, a little group for an officer of U-331, I found some pictures where I can see Kühn, so it is possible to find other pictures one day showing Kühn using his U-Bordjacke.

The collection is built with time, informations, attention and perseverance.

Regards,

Michel

Hello All,

I have not many time with my work at this moment to be on the forum regulary.

To explain, I sold this U-Bordjacke to a Spanish collector who badgered me to sell him some items of my collection. To dissuade him, I announced a very high price. As he accepted this price, I had to respect my words and to sold this attributed U-Bordjacke to him.

I cannot understand this guy, who lost a lot of money in some months.

Great for you Paul, because if I saw it before you at this price...

It is the misunderstanding and crazy world of the collection.

I will post some pictures of the Kühn's items later.

Best regards,

Michel

Nice 'bord made' document, part of a group sold by Detlev Niemann some weeks ago.

Regards,

Michel

Hello Martin,

You have a good one.

Regards,

Michel

Kapit?nleutnant Reinhard Hardegen, U-147 and U-123 Kommandant.

Kapit?nleutnant Fritz Frauenheim, U-21 and U-101 Kommandant.