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Hi,

i ve not many bavarian bars in my collection.

So would like to add these two.

first one from brave Unteroffizier Johann Mennacher.

Very nice bar, gratulations.

Mennacher was member of the bavarian Infanterie Leibregiment.

He also got the Leiberring Nr. 147 and the Edelweiss .

Do you have the complete military heritage of him?

Yes originally a coin but some made them into medals

Hello,

it was allowed to fix this coin on bar.

The ribbon was the same as the Jubiläumsmedaillie

The coin was given without any ring.

Hello,

might it possible, that the yellow/white ribbon shows the Westwallmedaillie?

It could be possible that the owner was first member of the RAD and became later a soldier.

So... i hear you have something planned for this weekend :-)

Hello Chris,

you have very good ears.

That will be a holliday for my collection.

regards Andreas

Hello Chris:

An excellent question. Based upon what I have seen, recipients were not guaranteed a civil service job, but if they were qualified, I believe that it certainly helped during the 3rd Reich to have been a MVM/TKM recipient. I have seen cases of many recipients who went on to become civil servants, and some who did not.

Keep in mind however, if you were from a Jewish family and a TKM recipient, you were lucky if you were aloud to leave the country in the late 1930's. I have also seen the cases of political enemies of the State who were MVM/TKM recipients who were sent to Dachau for a few months to let them think about how erroneous their socialist ideals and activities were. I know of one Silber MVM/TKM recipient who was sent there twice!

Best regards

Hello,

the winner of the bravery-medal had been prefered for official jobs. They got a little pension ( silver 5 Mark, gold 10 Mark), but in the time of the great depression it was also 10 Mark.

My relative ( winner of the silver Medal) had been a worker at a cemetery before 1914. After the war he startet as a policeman, then he became a civil servant at City Hall.

He quits in August 1945 and loose his pension, because he was member of the NSDAP, as any official.

What a fantastic photo, Joe! I love that mustache!!!!! :jumping: Would you mind if I copied that and kept it in my photo file?

I'm not sure, but this officer could be Marquard Sleevogt, who was comander till 1910.

This picture of the book "Unsere Jäger" shows Sleevogt.

I'm not sure, because I miss the MVO Ritter second class.

Hello,

my newest entry. Soldiers of the 2.JgB Aschaffenburg

Hello,

here two pictures from my relative.

The champagne and cognac will probably ended up in the bellies of the officers.

Yes all unrelated bits

Unrelated original bits?

The uniform is in a very good condition.

Hello dante,

do you have created the uniform itself ?

The rank of the uniform seems a regular soldier before WW1. The owner of the bar was an "Offiziersstellvertreter".

The bar was built after 1934, because of the FEK, but it is a nice bar. Can you show bigger pictures of it?

The "Edelweiss" on the cap is a postwar production with the crown inside, I think especially for the ILR.

regards Andreas

This is my favourite......

Hello dante,

nice picture. The rifle seems to be a Gewehr 88, used by Landwehr-units.

regards Andreas

Unfortunately I don't own the group ;-(

It is a great group including a Meybauer made bavarian pilot badge and all documents.

Regards

Alex

Hello Alex,

very, very nice bar .

Redenbach was also awarded with the EK1 and the woundbadge in gold.

On the last position of the bar had to be a bavarian 9 year sevice-medal.

Do you have a picture of him?

regards Andreas

Hello,

nice picture, below the EK is the war-medal 1871 and the bavarian veterans-cross 1866.

Sorry, but I can't describe his rank and I don't know if it is a bavarian or a prussian uniform.

regards Andreas

Hello Scott,

the MVK is a early Lauer and very nice.

regards Andreas

Hello,

here a picture of my relative ( the same as my avatar), doing his job .

Hello,

a NCO's bar is possably. MVK, EK2 and Preussisches Militärehrenzeichen, but an officers-bar is also possably.

regards Andreas

Please how you can difference lauer from hemmerle seeing the crossed swords?...

Thanks

Miguel

Hello Miguel,

the MVK at your bar is a late Leser-production.

It has a spheric eyelet at the agraffe. Look to my little listing for the producers of the mvk,

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/57227-bayerische-militrverdienstkreuz-321-klasse/

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/43620-what-do-you-know-about-bavarian-mvks/

the owner of the bar was a high rank NCO. He was already 1905 member of the bavarian army, so he got the Jubilee-medal.

The service cross is for 15 years and longer.

regards Andreas

Hello Larry,

very nice pictures.

Thanks very much guys for your replies and help. I have several of this type of portrait photo.

Here is one that someone else helped to identify some of the medals.

Deutscher Schützenverband photo.

Medals:

Konig Ludwig Kreuz 1916

Goldene Hochzeits Erinnerungsmunze in Essen

Kyffhauser Kriegsdenkmunze des Weltkriegs

Rest unknown

Cheers,

Larry

Hello Larry, very nice picture of a bavarian shootingclub member after WW1.

After the Kyffhäuser is a "Ehrenlegion des Weltkrieges" and the last medal is the bavarian service-medal for 9 or 12 years.

On the picture below you will see a member of the house Lippe-Detmold with a lot of decorations of this dutchy.

regars Andreas

Hello,

Great bars and here is my example.

Regards,

Jody

Hello Jody,

a very nice bar of an bavarian NCO.

The manufacturer of the MVK was Lauer (Nürnberg)

Regards

Andreas

Hello Spasm,

a very fine miniature. The swords of the MVO look like the swords of Godet MVO's.

The mini of the 1th Chev. Reg. ist fantastic, thanks for showing.

regards Andreas

Definitely something nice to own! I guess it's not coming with any provenience which could solve our quiz?

The last one is the 1932 Bavarian jubilee medal for the 1st Chevauleger-Regiment (OEK #560)...

Hello Sascha,

I see the bavarian regimental medal too.

regards Andreas

Hello,

I think it is impossible to find the owner of the bravery-medal bar. The "Bayerns goldenes Ehrenbuch" includes all the names oft the winners of the Bravery-medal, the MMJO and the Militär-Sanitäts-Ehrenzeichen, about aproximately 4000 Names.

In this book are the descriptions of the individual heroics of the winners, but nolisting to their another decorations.

On the ancestry-database, you will only find the decorations till end of WW1. I don't know a database for the decorations in WWII and the Partei-decorations.

Regards Andreas

Here is a nice Bavarian bar from my collection. It is interesting in the face it has a 25 years faithful service cross and a 10 year NSDAP award on the end.

hello alan,

that would be my favourite bar. It would be very intersting, to know the name of the owner of this bar. The second ribbon could be for the bavarian bravery-medal or for the Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden.

Hello Christophe,

very nice items. Thank you for showing this beautiful decorations.

The officers cross Sachsen-Meiningen in a box is very seldom.

regards Andreas

Hello Padro,

are you sure with Hemmerle for the mvk ?

The picture is to bad, to identify the maker. The swords look like Deschler.

regards Andreas