Brian Wolfe

Thanks, I couldn't have done it without you fellows.

Regards

Brian

Hello Everyone,

Here is the corrected group, with the Kyffhauserbund Medal and many thanks to Sascha for making this possible.

I really like this group even more now. The EK2 is in near mint condition and the ring is marked with a "G" which I believe indicates manufacture by Godet & Sohn or Berlin.

Thanks again to all who have made this correction possible.

Regards

Brian

Hello Peter,

Thank you for posting this link I found it very interesting and it dispelled several myths that I have always held as fact.

Regards

Brian

Hello Stretch,

Welcome to the forum.

I asked around to the fellows in this area of Ontario who restore militay vehicles and could come up with nothing. The restorers here informed me that they are into vehicles only.

While I could not help you I do hope you will stay with the forum and post photos of your project.

You never know when a member will read your post in the future and have a source for the parts for your 25 punder.

Good luck on your project, I'll keep watch for any parts and please keep us posted.

Regards

Brian

Hi Scott,

This is one cross that is truly a thing of beauty and a joy to behold.

Thanks for sharing this with us.

Regards

Brian

Hello Vic,

An absolutely amazing piece of history.

Thanks for taking the time to share it with us, and the video was most interesting.

Regards

Brian

Hi Kevin,

Here's a close up with a full sized ribbon behind it for comparison.

I was looking at this style of mount with the idea of mounting up some of my Imperial singles in this manner and noticed that it looks like they use the ribbon size that we woud use on a miniture if we were mounting up British medals. This may be the reason it looks strange compared with the full sized ribbon.

I'm pretty sure the ribbon is correct.

What do you think?

Regards

Brian

Hello Brian;

IMHO -

I don't see anything out of order here. Your breakdown is quite correct. He was in the army in 1897, to earn the Centennial and was around in 1934 to get the Hindenburg. He was a minimum of 55 years old -probably older- when he added that HK to the medalbar end. Yes, the Kyffhauserbund medal was no longer used, but either it was in the in-between years he did this, or he just didn't care. He was an old soldier and no youngster was going to tell him how to wear his medals.

The BMVO could be with or without swords. The without swords version awarded for peacetime. The swords for wartime. The BMVK was modeled on the Bav. Order. I believe that Bavarians wanted to award with swords for any soldier who served during wwi. Regardless if bullets were flying over head and he had a rifle in his hand. The HK is without swords because the cross is already a war veteran award. The swords were for distinguishing between an active fighter or non-combatant war veteran.

Nice little bar to a wwi veteran, perhaps a NCO.

Hello Claudius,

Thank you for the comments. I really liked the bar when I saw it but I was wondering about the swords on the Merit Cross as opposed to no swords on the HK. Thanks for clearing that one up.

Regards

Brian

Here is a view of the reverse. You can clearly see that the Honour Cross was added after the group had been mounted up. The pin is not attached and is just sitting there. I can't see how to re-attach it so I'll probably leave it as it is. I don't want to disturb the back of the mount and whether the pin is attached or not makes little difference to the group (in my opinion). At least the pin is there.

Thanks again for your opinions, as always they are most welcomed.

Regards

Brian

Hello Everyone,

This group of four just arrived yesterday and I was hoping that the members might have some opinions as to what position this fellow might have held that kept him out of combat yet earned him a Bavarian Military Merit Cross with crossed swords. I am pretty confident that this group is authentic, though I am still quite new to Imperial German collecting.

In 1897 he recieved the Prussian 100th anniversary of Kaiser Wilhelm I's birth medal so he was in the army before WWI. At some point, probably during the War, he revieced the Military Merit Cross for his contributions to the War efforts.The Kyffhauserbund Medal would indicate that he survived the war and joined this particular veteran's association. Then in 1934 he was awarded the Honour Cross (aka Hindenberg Cross) and added it to the group that had already been mounted up after he received the Kyffhauserbund Medal. The group would have had to have been changed after 1936 to conform with regulations since the Kyffhauserbund Medal was banned from wear after that date. He either passed away before having the changes made or, perhaps lacking the funds, decided to leave the group as it was.

Was it common to continue to wear the Kyffhauserbund Medal after 1936?

The Honour Cross is for non-combatants (due to the absence of the crossed swords which indicates combat service) so he never saw action. Would this indicate that he was in some sort of administrative role?

I would really like to hear your comments.

Regards

Brian

Hi Dan,

Very nice stick pin that really tells a tale, at least to my way of thinking.

Service on the Eastern Front and wounded.

Thanks for posting it, the first I personally have seen.

Regards

Brian

Hello Peter,

Thank you for an informative and enjoyable article.

I've owned a couple of Martini Henrys over the years. Looking back I regret having let them go in trade.

Even though we can't keep everything I wish I'd kept my Martini Henrys.

Regards

Brian

Hi Enzo,

What a coincidence, a post I made in December 09 just got a reply.

That's just one of the great benifits of the GMIC, with new members and seasoned members looking through past posts you just never know when you will get an answer to a query.

Yes, we have come to expect instant gratification. I recall the days when if you had a "pen-pal" you'd wait for weeks to get a reply. Now Insta-Messaging and Skype have done away with the long wait and, sadly, pensmanship.

Regards

Brian

I think you've answered your own question: if an award is the property of H.M. the Queen, then it cannot be legal to sell or buy it! As to what the relevant office should have done, I suspect that the paperwork which accompanied the award stipulated that it was to be returned on the death of the recipient, but how many relatives would know or care years after the award? As to the Chancery Office bidding for it at auction, well, would you bid on your car if someone had stolen it and put it on auction? Or call a cop?

Not being judgemental, BTW. I have in the past owned medal groups with items in them which probably technically beloged to H.M. and I can't say it ever cost me any sleepless nights. I would, however, be very leery of asking officialdom what status it had!

My tuppence worth.

Peter

Quite so Peter.

Regards

Brian

Hi Brian

You have them quite right except C= Coloured but your explanation is correct.

You also get M= Malay which is closer to the Indians.

Regards

Norman

Thanks Norman.

Now I have something else to watch for, the "M" prefix.

Regards

Brian

Here's a good example for new members who get upset when their questions are not answered straight away.

The initial post by Alex was 22 April 2007 and here we are nearly three years later and the answer has been posted.

It's also a good point for keeping an open mind as Alex mentioned earlier.

Thanks for the information Elmar, I would have passed one like this by thinking it was a fake.

Regards

Brian

I like it, what do the more experienced members think?

Regards

Brian

This is news to me what with the Serbs taking the rap all these years.

Hi Don

This is probably news to most as my statement was not very accurate.

I was thinking more of the geographical area compaired to the Western Front or even the Eastern Front (Russia) as thought by most people.

Just to set the record straight or as straight as I will get it.

After the Bulkan Wars Serbia and a few other nations were in control of lands thought by Bulgaria to belong to Bulgaria. Though Bulgaria did not get involved in the War at first they did come in on the side of Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire, declairing war on Serbia in October 1915. Of course the British, French and their allies then declaired war on Bulgaria.

Regards

Brian

Prussian military long service awards were never enemaled.

From 1825 to 1914, this cross was awarded to officers only. Just from 1914 on up to 1920, it was also awarded to lower ranks. Due to the missing of enemaled orders this might well be a ex-NCO's bar, and with the Kiel maker tag likely a navy guy.

Great information!

Possible ex-NCO and Navy personnel. That's amazing, something I would have never found out on my own.

Thanks again.

Regards

Brian

If you need a really nice Kyffhäuserbund medal, just send me a PM...

(but, I'm away till friday and won't have internet)

PM sent and many thanks.

Brian

A beautiful yet deadly little pistol.

Thanks for sharing it with us Mervyn.

Regards

Brian

Thanks to all who have responded.

You have added greatly to my knowledge this topic, not to mention alleviated my fears about the bar itself.

Regards

Brian

Nice!

Brian, it is the

Tiroler Landesdenkmünze

Ribbon:

Awarded to all Tyroleans that served in World War I and also to those who, between 1915 and 1918 participated in defending Tyrolia (amongst them were German mountain troops).

This bronze gilt medal was instituted on 7 February 1928, some 120,000 were awarded.

data from here: http://www.gwpda.org/medals/austmedl/austria.html

Thnaks for the information. I may be a sick puppy but this makes me quite excited. I'll replace the incorrect medal and I will then have a new one for my Austrian collection. This is not the first time this has happened. Now to look for the proper ribbon. Do you have any ideas for a ribbon source?

Regards

Brian

Bar looks good to me, and somewhat unusual with the Bulgarian medal.

Thanks, I thought it unusual as well, so I made the purchase.

That's usually where I start to go wrong.

Thanks again.

Brian

Very nice group Matt.

I think you are correct about my confusion.

Regards

Brian