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Do you still shoot with them Klaus?

Dear Researchers,

I was hoping I could count on your collective knowledge once more.

Is anyone familiar with the uniform on these pictures. Are the German or Polish? Russian?

I am guessing they are from before the WW1.

from my grandfathers collection. He was German. 

Any help would be appreciated.

Andi

Hi All,

I have received my copy of the Reichsarchiv Nowo Georgiewst Band 8. Thank you Klaus!

Yes I am convinced now that I have the correct Morgi location. Please see the map that came with the book. My ancestor probably lost his life there. According to the book there was heavy fighting to take the town Gut Czajki.

Thank you all for your help.

My next task is to find where the men are buried from that part of the battle. I contacted the Kriegsgräberfürsorge. 

On 20/10/2022 at 06:19, Klaus P. Schad said:

Lieber Klaus,

Ich habe heute einen Suchantrag bei der Deutschen Kriegsgräberfürsorge angestellt.

Danke für den Vorschlag.

Andi

On 20/10/2022 at 06:19, Klaus P. Schad said:

 

 

Andi,

moechte Dir nochmals vorschlagen mit der Deutschen Kriegsgraeberfuersorge in Verbindung zu gehen.

Vielleicht bestehen naehere Informationen ueber den Todestag Deines Grossvaters, Grablage, Umbettungen etc, etc.

Mit bestem Gruss

Klaus

Interesting thank you!

slowly a picture is emerging.

Thank you soo much!

I am waiting to receive the :Schlachten des Weltkrieges Band 8.  Klaus told me about. Perhaps it will shed light on the locality.

stay tuned, things are slow in the  post currently 

Thank you GreyC,

I think it’s Pfingsten celebrations in May 1917.

I could be wrong.

Bernhard H.Holst translated those texts for me back in 2015.

I have another good picture.

Perhaps someone can help identify some of the faces.

The one with the coffee pot is my great grandfather, he stands at the right of Georg Sick.

The rest I don't know. Nothing written on the back.

Thank you!!!

Thank you guys for your valuable information! 

GreyC,

Yes you are correct I can't really know for sure.

I base what I know on the pictures and dates I have, I deduced some information.

I know that my Great-grandfather was handed his Iron Cross on the 6.11.1916 I will attach the picture. That gives me the conclusion that on the pictures with Sick he is wearing the bar, it must be after that date. Presuming he wasn't part of the 163th before that, which is most possible.

In the nice article above of Christian Mack on Opa as Bursche: https://opaskrieg.de/de/opa-franz-der-bursche/    you find a quote. 

"Jeder Bursche muss ein Jahr an der Front dienen und dient das zweite Jahr als Bursche. Ein Posten, der sehr gesucht ist. Diese Männer sind im Allgemeinen dienstfrei und werden nur dreimal in der Woche, entweder am Vormittag oder nachmittags „herangezogen“, damit sie nicht zu fett werden und nicht alles Gelernte wieder vergessen."

" Every Batman must serve one year in combat and the second year as batman. A position, that was highly sought after. These men are generally off-duty and are only engaged about three times a week, either in the morning or in the afternoon, so that they do not get too fat and forget everything they have learned."

So if I go by that; My great grandfather might not have been part of the 163th before that.

This pictures is from 14.8.1917,

Taken at the Command post of the 81st Infantry Brigade, Oberstleutnant Sick's Command Post.

My great grandfather in the background.

Hopefully I will find more information in the next few years.

thanks 

Wow thank you Prussian,

I had  no idea that I could download load the book. I had to buy it.
 

You raised an interesting point , had of course I don’t know when my great grandfather joined the 163. I base my assumption on that he lived in Hamburg he must have been with the 163. 

As far as what my grandfather did, I have no idea really.

I found an interesting article on what it ment to be a Batman, or Bursche:

https://opaskrieg.de/de/opa-franz-der-bursche/

thank you 

Was für eine tolle Sammlung Klaus!!!!

Ganz Toll!

Thank for your help everyone again.

I had a bit of success with my research into my great grand father who served with Oberstleutnant Sick on the western front. 

I would like to share this picture I unearthed in an archive in the USA. By pure chance!

The picture description in the album reads: Genommene englische Stützpunkte.

Taken english positions. Behind Georg Sick, left stands my great grandfather.

Hope you enjoy this as much as me.

Yes thank you very much!

Danke nochmals Klaus, ich habe bei der DKV schon gesucht. Ohne Erfolg.

 Danke

Andi

5 hours ago, Klaus P. Schad said:

Hello Andi,

besten Dank fuer Deine Antwort. Auch ich habe Probleme mit der Suetterlin Schrift,

habe aber verstanden, dass Dein Grossvater am 13. August bei Modri gefallen ist.

Modri habe ich gefunden in Reichsarchiv, Schlachten des Weltkrieges Band 8.

“Die Eroberung von Nowo Georgiewst”.

Seite 39/40 : Die Vorbereitung des Angriffs.

Die Truppen im Hauptangriffsabschnitt fuehrten GLt. Schalscha von Ehrenfeld,

Kdr. 14. LWD, GMaj. Scmiedecke, Kdr. 21.L.I.Br. und Oberst Graf Pfeil. Sie standen

am 10. August in der Linie “Morgi”-Cegielna-Psucka-Wolka Kikolska, westlich von

Cegielna, die 21.Landwehr Brigade mit den schlesischen Landwehr Regimenter 38 und 10.

Die schlesischen Regimenter waren angesetzt das Fort XVa der Festung Nowo Georgiewst zu nehmen.

M.E. ist Dein Grossvater im Vorfeld in Richtung Fort XVa bei Modri gefallen.

Andi, das Buch kommt mit Karten, Zeichnungen, Bilder und Gliederungen der Truppen und ist

bestimmt im Buchhandel leicht erhaeltlich.

Mit bestem Gruss

Klaus

Lieber Klaus,

ich danke dir für die tolle Information.

Buch habe ich schon bestellt bei ZVAB!

voll toll

danke

Lieber Klaus,

Ich habe versucht eine karte zu finden vom August 1915.

Zusammen mit deiner information( 8/13-20 Belagerung von Modlin) sieht es aus als ob ich Morgi gefunden habe. Kurz vor Warschau. Modlin is nördlich von Warschau.

Es gibt mehrere Morgi plätze in Polen.

Was meinst du?

Lieber Klaus,

Ich danke dir für die schnelle Nachricht.

Schon wieder tolle information.

Natürlich habe ich auch schon nachgedacht ob da ein Fehler ist mit dem Ortsnamen.

Hier ist die sterbe urkunde, kannst du das vielleicht besser entziffern?

Ich lebe seit 1989 in Australien und mein Sütterling ist verrostet.

ich danke dir!

Andi

Thank you soo much for the information.

I was trying to find out where the 38th was in August 1915. I looked at regiment history books but I can’t find one for this regiment.

my great grandfather lost his life near Morgi in Poland . I found Morgi. It would be awesome to find out what happened that day. I think it was the 15th or 16th of august.

thank you

andi

Hi,

Has anyone looked into the Landwehr -Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 38?

I can't find much at all, any help would be awesome.

thank you

Andi

Thank you Prussian,

Do you know anyone that has done more? Looking into his family?

thank you

Hi,

has anybody by any chance done any in-depth research into Georg Sick of the 163 infantrie regiment?

I am looking for photos.

my great grandfather was the Bursche of the Oberstleutnant.

much appreciate any response 

regards

I can only place him to some place names and dates, plus he must have been with Georg Sick as his servant.

places: Carvin in August in 1916, Moorslede 6.11.1916,  Lille 14.8.1917 with the 81 infantry regiment according to text on the back of photographs.

I looked it up that and thought that places him with the 163 schleswig holsteiner regiment? Do you think so?
 

Andi

I never met my grandfather unfortunately. I am trying to piece his story together, I only have some pictures and some writing on the back of them. This forum has been great help so far!!

:?)

 

Berhard,

Thank you very much, I really appreciate your help.

Andi