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Many thanks Kevin, that was a very interesting read!!!! I was particularly interested in the 127th, involvement in the various wars. Am I right in thinking that even during these periods, they were made up of volunteers, like British Yeomanry & TA Regiments?

Well I think that confirms the NI clasp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I came across this guy, whilst surfing the net. He appears to have two bars for his General Service Medal, anyone any idea as to what they are? I`m assuming one is Northern Ireland, but the other looks newer any ideas?

I believe the key to your question about awarding the CIB for an IED attack is this line in the regulation, "... present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or special forces primary duty, in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy." It is a commander's call to determine if an IED attack would justify the award of A CIB. My experience is that every unit has a different interpertation of the reg and thus standards vary. Some would be extremely strict and an IED attack would require that the velicle the soldier was riding in to be struck by the IED while others would be inclined to recognize as many soldiers as possible that were riding in the convoy. Same would apply to mortar or rocket attacks. Of course being an Infantryman there are probably numerous opportunities to come under hostile fire other than IED attacks, for example foot patrols.

Also the Bronze Star is not connected to the CIB as it was in WWII, so the award is not necessarily automatic for CIB holders. Again, standards vary from unit to unit on who gets Bronze Star Medals. Some are very liberal, others very strict.

Kevin

Many thanks Kevin, I can see where your coming from. I suppose it also reflects on the CO of the Regiment, it can`t be too bad for him, even if he doesn`t win one, he`ll be the guy whose Regiment got 30 CIB`s for that incident at blah,blah blah. Next thing he`s a full Col, or doesn`t it work like that? Going back to our original topic, given the level of IED attacks in Iraq, surely the CIB will become so common, that it`ll loose its meaning? Become under valued, which I feel would be a shame, NOT, in anyway to under value the intensity of an IED attack, there no fun!!! Does the US army have any counter measures againest them? Don`t answer that one!!!!! I`m looking forward to hearing whether the 2nd Btn of the 127th National Guard, get any awards for their tour in Iraq. Will CIB`s be gazzetted in the same way as other awards?

Hi could the following be the purpl heart site you are thinking of?

http://www.purplehearts.net/index.html

Yes thats the one, Dave Danner, brought me up to speed, I thought it was about the Bronze Star, but it was in fact the Purple Heart, but it does cover BS`s too, so case closed. That was so frustrating scouring the net, I knew it was there, but didn`t know where to look, anyway all sorted now, cheers guys!!!!

One of Tom's pages on his Purple Heart site discusses engraving styles in general: http://www.purplehearts.net/id8.html

Dave quality, thats the one!!!! My memory

was a little blurry, I thought it was about the Bronze Star, but no this is the one, many,many thanks, I spent hours last night scouring the net, many many thanks!!!!

Hi Guys,

Whilst I was overseas, I was told about and visited a really interesting website, all about collecting Bronze Stars, it had information on the various types of naming, pit falls for the unwary, just about everything you need to know about collecting these medals, but can i find it again

Can anyone help?

Cheers E.

The internet is a wondeful thing, but don`t you just hate it when you find/ are told about a really cool site, then can`t find it again afterwards. I was informed about a really interesting/helpful site about collecting Bronze Stars, it gave examples of fakes, the different types of naming, just about everything you`d need to know about the medal, but can i find it again

Hi Guys,

Having had such a roaring success with my interesting medal group thread, I thought I`d try and take it a step further, and involve other awards, that maybe of interest. To that end can anyone confirm what the current critieria is for the CIB. I believe it was initially awarded to infantry soldiers engaged, in a two way range as it were, but given the current circumstances that troops find themselves in in places like Iraq, I`m curious to know whether being involved in an IED attack, would also qualify you for this award. I`m also under the impression that in WW2, these awards were exchanged for the Bronze Star, is this practice still ongoing or was this just a one off?

Gordon.

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3518

http://www.warchronicle.com/iraq/soldierst..._stars_iraq.htm

Many thanks Dave. If I turn anything up, I`ll post it on this thread.

Many thanks JB, where did you come by this info, any way of finding out what he got the Bronze Star for?

Tony, I concur with everthing you say . I suppose its a little like the Telic medal, were if you were driving crates of beans around on Telic 1 you get the clasp, but if you were defending Civic House on Telic 4 (was it?), then you don`t. In the defence on the new OSM, I think its better to have seperate awards, purely on the grounds that if you haven`t got your medal on then it looks like you`ve just got one, but in reality you`ve got 4 clasps for it. But I suppose we`ll never over come the I was getting shot at, whilst you counted paper clips arguement ????????

Gordon.

Can anyone suggest anyway I can find out more about Muckle and his Bronze Star?

With regards, to the Bronze Star and Saudi Medal, I just liked the look of it. As you say I think its a made up group, but the ribbons look old. Did the Saudi`s get the Kuwait Medal too? I must say I like the idea of the French bottom row. I intend to look into this as there surely can`t have been that many Bronze stars without V, issued to the Saudi`s or the French?

One officer, 1st Lt. Karl E. Gregory, managed to earn a Silver Star, a Soldier's Medal, a Bronze Star with "V" and an Army Commendation Medal with "V" - four separate valor awards, during his tour in Iraq with 2nd Battalion, 2nd Infantry Regiment, part of 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division (the "Big Red One"). Combined with another Bronze Star for merit and a Purple Heart for wounds he received, and he's possibly the most decorated OIF veteran out there now.

Any more info on this guy!!!!!!!

Just came across this group, which I find very curious?

Just out of interest, how easy/hard are MOH to get hold of? Are modern ones named? Anyone konw where I could get hold of a modern one from?

Another interesting Bronze Star Medal.........

RE: The above Bronze Star

Cullen U Gulko

General Gulko entered the army as an enlisted man in November 1941 and served in that capacity until he was commissioned as a second lieu ant, Transportation Corps, from OCS in June 1943. His assignments included Troop Movement Officer, Admin Officer, Executive Officer, Superintendent, Water Div, and Deputy Base Port Guinea and Yokohama: and Superintendent Water Div, Otaru, Japan. He was released from active duty in Feb 1946.

In the US Army Reserve Component Status, Gen Gulko served as an enlisted man in the Army National Guard from August 1933 to June 1936. In March 1946 he joined the Army Reserve and has served as Superintendent Water Div, Cargo Ops Officer and Director Port Ops of the 368th Major Port: Supt Water Div, Assistant Chief of Staff, G3, and Chief of Staff 368th Transportation Terminal Command: Transportation Officer, Director of Supply and Maintenance, acting Commander, 311th Log Com ?. He entered his present assignment in Jan 1968 and was promoted to Brig Gen effective 26th Sept 1969.

Military Education, Transportation School OCS 1943 Amphibious Trg 1951,58: Command Officer Course 1954, Officers Advanced Course 1957: Command and General Staff College 1962, refresher 1963-69, Industrial College of Armed Forces 1963, Nuclear Weapons Employment Orientation 1963,64 and refresher 65,67,69, Army Logs Man Course 1967, Logs Cert 1970, Army War College Nonresident Course 1972.

Military Decorations, Bronze Star Medal, Army Commendation Medal, Presidential Unit Citation: Philippine Distinguished Unit Citation.

Cullen U. Gulko

1916-2005

No funeral services will be held for 17-year Bishop resident Cullen U. Gulko. Interment will be at the Home of Peace Memorial Park and Mausoleum in Los Angeles.

Born in San Pedro May 2, 1916, Cullen died at the Bishop Care Centre in Bishop on Oct. 17, 2005. He was 89.

Cullen retired from the Army Reserves as a Brigadier General.

He is survived by his wife, Madalyn Gulko of Bishop; sister, Rita Syman of San Rafael; niece, Judy Halpern; and nephews, Gary Syman, Ken Gulko, Steven Gulko and Arlan Gulko.

Hi Guys, I`ve justed learned from Medal News, thats theres to be a new OSM, this time for the Congo on Op DROC. Allegedly this medal with have clasp DROC. It also states that the OSM, has been issued for Afganistan and Sierra Leone, claiming that these medals are issued with the relevant clasps, I`ve seen the Afgan one, but the SL examples I`ve seen didn`t have the clasp is this a new development? I also believe that the Afgan medal is issued with out clasp was well with a rosette like the South Atlantic Medal, I`ve not seen any examples of this can anyone confirm this for me?

Many thanks, please feel free to add more Lodges, it would be nice to cover the whole country, and maybe the world?

Cheers Dave, I always find your posts very interesting, thank you.

I think that the Bronze Star, is my most favourite US Medal, because it is awarded for such a diverse spectrum of things from pure crazy valor to being a good egg.

Going back to the 127th, I hope some of their guys pick up a few gongs, as they had a tough job to do. I had the utmost respect for them, and the task they preformed out there in Iraq.

Just out of interest when is it likely that any awards might be published?

QUOTE: "The unit only deployed in August 2005, arriving in Iraq in early September, so it is a bit early for most awards, which take time to process. They have had two soldiers killed in action and at least one wounded in action.

By the way, it is not "2nd Battalion of the 127th National Guard"; it is 2nd Battalion, 127th Infantry, Wisconsin Army National Guard, or 2-172 IN in the Army's shorthand. It is an element of the 32nd Infantry Brigade (Separate) (Light), descendant of the 32nd Infantry Division. Here is a link with better images and a description of the 127th Infantry's distinctive unit insignia: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Inf/127I...iment.htm"

One revision to what I noted above. Seven members of the 507th Maintenance Company were taken prisoner. Six were rescued. One, Sgt. Donald R. Walters, was captured and later murdered by the Saddam Fedayeen.