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Joined October 2002 North Wales Police Received July 2024

Came across this unusual example. Not seen one engraved like this before, with only the initials. Has anyone else seen one named in this style before?

Ditectif (Detective) Gwnstabl (Constable)

Ditectif Gwnstabl (Detective Constable), example awarded to an Officer from North Wales Police. Welsh engraved E11R effigy are unique to NWP. They began being issued in 2006 and cease in 2023, with the change over to the C111R effigy.

Some more information which has come to light when referring to the use of Welsh ranks. In particular the rank Cwnstabl (Constable) when used in connection with Ditectif (Detective) it becomes Gwnstabl. The word changes depending on where it appears in a sentence and what context it is being used in, therefore Gwnstabl replaces Cwnstabl when used in conjunction with Ditetcif (Detective. Conversely it should in point of fact be Gwnstabl Ditectif but that is taking it a little to far grammatically, when engraving medals perhaps. Where as the same is not true when using Prif Arolygydd or Chief Inspector, the Prif or Chief/Main remains the same way around and not Arolygydd Prif as you would think. All very confusing, but I thought it might be of assistance to someone in the future when one of these medals comes onto the market.

I believe South Wales Police, have now embraced the concept of offering their officers the choice of whether they would like their medals engraved with their rank in Welsh. Would be interested to learn whether Gwent and Dyfed Powys have yet begun to do so? As it stands now any E11R versions, with the rank in Welsh, are unique to North Wales Police. But am yet to see any examples come onto the market.

A curious situation appears to be unfolding with regards to the change over of effigy and the issuing of Police LSGC’s. Initially it was suggested on the government website that the 1st October 2023, was to be the change over date. But the wording of that document is very ambiguous. I have been unable to obtain anything formal, that confirms that date. However I haven’t found any examples of recipients from before the 1st October 2023, being awarded a King’s version. But I have seen examples of medals qualified for after that date, that received Queen’s version. But at the same time examples of medals qualified for prior to those who received a Queen’s one being awarded a King’s one?

Joined Oct 2003. Gloucestershire Constabulary, Received June 2024.

How on earth did this example pass quality control????

Unusual PS (CID) engraving.

Issued to a female officer from Dyfed Powys Police yesterday (06.06.24), having qualified 12 months ago. Interestingly she wasn’t given the option of whether she would like her rank engraved in Welsh or not. So it appears North Wales Police are the only force to be awarding Welsh engraved medals. Certainly any E11R versions seen, will be unique to NWP.

Issued to a female officer from Dyfed Powys Police yesterday (06.06.24), having qualified 12 months ago. Interestingly she wasn’t given the option of whether she would like her rank engraved in Welsh or not. So it appears North Wales Police are the only force to be awarding Welsh engraved medals. Certainly any E11R versions seen, will be unique to NWP.

Two questions, Firstly did service with the Auxiliary Police, count towards a regular LSGC or a SCLSM? Secondly did service for the SCLM during the Nazi occupation, still count as triple?