bigjarofwasps

17 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

It's been suggested that the current QC will not be altered. We'll have to wait and see.

 

Dave.

Would appear, that King Charles has now opted for cypher with bearing a Kings crown?
 

Assume this means that there will now be a change in cap badges etc.

Although when this is likely to take place, I don’t know. An article I was reading suggested that we won’t see new bank notes until 2024 and coins would be minted as demand presented itself.

Of course the million pound question is, when we will see a change in effigy on medals! 
 

Had this rather curious reply from the Royal Mint, I can only assume that they are sent for engraving somewhere other than the Royal Mint? 
 

Many thanks for your information request. We have made internal enquiries and we can confirm that the Royal Mint has not produced any Welsh engraved Police Long Services Medals. Beyond that we do not hold any information falling within scope of your request. 

Best wishes

FOI Team

This medal and certificate awarded to Miss Marjorie Swift were acquired in June 2021 and initially of interest as they loosely fitted within the collecting sphere of Police Officers who had been awarded the Silver Jubilee Medal 1977. 
 
Marjorie was Police Staff and listed in the 1977 Jubilee Medal roll as a Secretary, West Yorkshire Metropolitan Police.  However the reverse of her certificate, possibly written for presentation of the medal, read – ‘Chief Constable’s Secretary Miss M Swift Millgarth Police Station.’
 
No details could be found on Ancestry.UK as there were simply too many Marjorie Swift’s living in Yorkshire, to be able to make a link.  However, further research revealed that in 1977 Marjorie would have been secretary to Ronald Gregory, the Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Metropolitan Police, he, being in overall command of the hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper from the Headquarters at Millgarth Station. 
 
1977 was in the approximate centre of the enquiry, 1975-1980 and Marjorie would no doubt have seen many important documents passing to and from the Chief. 
 
Whilst there are no biographical detail of Marjorie, it is important that her role in one of the UK’s most horrific murder sprees and subsequent enquiries are recorded for posterity.  

Also within this collection are the medals to Chief Inspector Roy James GORE who also served during this unsavoury time.

https://martinharrisonsmedalresearch.weebly.com/swift-marjorie.html?fbclid=IwAR0waZ1Yb-mNvc4w9H54OYgeTJysWf9J5_tXp4ALi0HOSzbYevBzaMd5rwE

7 minutes ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

David Armstrong - Jones, the 2nd Earl of Snowdon, AKA David Linley, Princess Margret's son.

 

Dave.

His medals are a bloody shambles ?!!

Here he is again, marching behind the Prince of Wales, so I assume he’s somebody of note, that perhaps I should really be able to identify? 

Noticed this gentleman, during the Queens funeral.

Not entirely sure who he is, but have concerns, given the monumental occasion he was attending.
 

You’d have thought he’d have taken the time to, get his medals mounted, ensuring that he was wearing them in the correct order!

He also appears to be missing his diamond jubilee medal?

Assume he had forgotten where he’d put that one?   

Splendid write up re George Compton, thoroughly enjoyed reading it Alan, thanks for sharing it! 
 

Would like to think it’s one and the same chap!! 

Fascinating reading Alan. It never ceases to amaze me, what information can be unearthed about these officers. 

Thank you for taking the time to share it with the group!

13 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

There may only be a change for those forces that currently use "EIIR" as part of their insignia. These days you can count those forces on two hands (if that). If he decides to retain the present Crown, then those forces who use a coat of arms in the centre of their badges will have no need to change.

 

Dave.  

Interesting, but I can’t  think of a single police force that doesn’t have the queens crown as part of their helmet plate  (but I maybe wrong)?
 

Which suggests to me that “when” there is a change from queens crown to kings crown, every force will require a new badge? 
 

Would be very curious, if the king chose to remain with a queens crown, but will have to wait and see….

1 hour ago, paul wood said:

They will certainly issue a medal for the Coronation, whenever it takes place, which I suspect will be warded to the same people as the platinum Jubilee.

 

P

I don’t share your optimism, although there will undoubtably be a Coronation Medal. I suspect it’ll be along the same lines as the Queen’s Coronation, awarded to only those physically there and or a select few issued to each force. But I guess we’ll just have to wait and see……. 

On 05/09/2022 at 19:49, Dave Wilkinson said:

I would not hold your breath. I suspect that they will tell you that the amount of research involved would be such that to provide such information would be inordinate and that if it were to be provided there would be a cost involved which you would need to be prepared to pay.

 

Dave.

Dave, I fear you may well be correct. Haven’t even received a confirmation of receipt of email, yet.

I wonder whether it’s worth contacting the 4 Welsh forces directly……? 

1 hour ago, I_♥_Police said:

I wonder if it will actually look something like that and how long it will take each force to have a new one made and send them out what with the economic issues in Policing. I wodner also if they will issue a new medal for the change of the monarch?

I’m in no doubt, they’ll definitely be a change in police badges and a new effigy on the LSGC, but when that will be and how long that will take is anyones guess…….

Saw this, thought it might be of interest?

Have received confirmation from the Police Federation, that there will be bars to the police LSGC, that match that of the ones previously announced to the Fire Service LSGC. 

There will be formal  announcement, in the next few weeks, and will be back dated to the 11th March 2022.

This medal is currently listed on EBay, thought it might be of interes, as it includes a bar?

Unsure whether it’s the new official one?

Am seeking confirmation under the freedom of information act, as to what numbers of medals have been engraved in Welsh. Numbers produced by force, and numbers of ranks are known to exist. Should I have any sort of formal confirmation, I will of course post it on this thread.

1 hour ago, I_♥_Police said:

I fear one day this medal may be seldom awarded, what with recruitment and retention issues. Who am I to say, however, it just seems like this is a long time in the job of the modern day.

Without overtaking another thread, while this one is still 'warm' and has attention - I really do wonder when and if the emergency services (and others possibly) will be awarded the promised Covid response medal and what the criteria would be.

I fear you may well be correct, with regards the award of the medal in general let alone the proposed bars. I am trying to obtain confirmation, one way or the other as to whether these are to be awarded to the police?
 

With regards to the proposed Covid medal, I suspect that idea was shelved long ago, the fact that nothing has materialised speaks volumes.  We’re even less likely to see it now. Covid is but a distant memory, the cost of living crisis and war in Ukraine have seen to that…..

I assume that the Prison Service will also be awarded these two additional bars as well?

Ambulance Long Service Medal.

1 hour ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

I may be missing something here, but what is it exactly that the fire service are awarding? Insofar as Government approved (By Royal Warrant) medals are concerned the fire service themselves award nothing. Unless its a "home grown" award for additional service. Or has the fire service long service & good conduct medal Royal Warrant been amended?

 

Dave.

The Fire Service have been awarded a bar for 30 & 40 years additional service  to their Long Service and Good Conduct Medal. 

https://fireengland.uk/sites/default/files/2022-03/Fire Royal Warrant LSGCM.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wx18puzpbfmBO12K8A2A3K0hsTEwbDqtlUwYPFqytK1AUhOLSli7JlUM
 

The Police and Ambulance where supposed to be getting the same, but as yet there has been no formal acknowledgment….

On 22/04/2022 at 18:27, bigjarofwasps said:

Unconfirmed reports, are suggesting that rumours are abound, that a bar to the Police LSGC, may soon become a reality. Suggestions being that the criteria of award will

be every subsequent 10 years after the initial 20 year qualification period.

 

watch this space…..

 

(Source being a Home Counties CC’s blog….)

Well 5 months on, am still

unaware of any formal acknowledgment of any bars to the police award (or ambulance service, for that matter)
 

Although the fire service do appear to now be awarding it, although am yet to see any physical example(s). 

On 12/03/2012 at 15:31, Humberto Corado said:

hello all,

 

I want to share with you my two El Salvador peace commemoratives coins, were issued in 1992 ( in gold and silver) after the peace was reached in the 1980-1992 war against communist guerrilla.

sorry about the low quality images, if anyone if interested in a better picture just let me know.

 

Cordial Greetings

 

Humberto

Saw these slabbed examples, thought they might be of interest? 

12 hours ago, Zulu_00 said:

Finally got my own gongs mounted. Got permission to wear the OASG gong.

 

Very nice!! Obviously the middle one is the converted Covid medal, but would be interested to learn what the other two are? 

On 21/05/2022 at 07:55, ÖSTA said:

Shame. What, if any, were the reasons given?

Osta, that is a shame to hear. It may be of small comfort to learn the U.K. didn’t get one either. 

Mint Marks.