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That’s interesting Dave, Const WP as apposed to WPC.
Found this...
PD = Police Dog, so there can be no ambiguity with your box standard dog ?.
Imagine the confusion if Police Detective was used instead of Detective Constable ???.
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21 minutes ago, Dave Wilkinson said:
As I understand it "Detective Sergeant" is not, a rank as such. The rank is "Sergeant" and the prefix Detective is a mere designation. Can't understand why PS is used on this particular medal, as you suggest, "Sergt" is usually the norm.
In several forces the prefix "Police" in respect of ranks is regarded as being a total "non, no". PSNI (and the old RUC) is one such force and another is Merseyside Police where the title Constable is used and not prefixed by "Police". The term PS is also very much a "no, no" in Merseyside (and the PSNI). The term "PS" is, in effect, an afterthought on a piece of written correspondence, a fact of which I was forcefully remined of when I had the temerity to refer to a Sergeant as such on my return from District Training Centre many years ago.
Finally, you will never find the term "Police Constable" mentioned in any UK Act of Parliament. You will find "Constable", but it is never proceeded with the word "Police".
Dave.
Very interesting Dave and something I will look into further!!
Something else that's been pointed out to me is if you look closely at the label on the box lid, it appears as if the letter "W" has been deleted with correction fluid. As far as I'm aware the rank of WPC was still being used until 1999, but this type of box ceased to be used long before that?
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This is an interesting example.
Am curious to know why it’s named PS and not DS?
Why is it named PS and not Sergt?
Why has CID been included?
It would appear to be a pre 2000 issue as it’s not Rhodium played?
Would be interested to hear people’s thoughts.
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On 29/09/2019 at 12:06, bigjarofwasps said:
New book out early next year about the babies in the wood case.
Adam Hibbert was involved in this case.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/father-of-babes-in-the-wood-murder-victims-386991
"This book is an extremely well-written and detailed account of the thirty year journey from the tragedy of the murder of two loved young girls, through a failed prosecution, and a families tireless pursuit to see justice done, culminating in the complex and challenging Sussex Police investigating leading to the rightful conviction of Russell Bishop. It is a testament to what a families determination and Police investigative skills can achieve in bringing justice to these two innocent young girls".
Superintendent Adam Hibbert, former head of Surrey and Sussex Major Crime Team
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This might account for the change of address between the 1901 and 1911 censuses?
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Saw this picture on the Jack the Ripper Facebook page.
It was posted by one of his relatives, which I thought was rather cool!!!
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Interestingly, James CHAPPELL was a patient in the London Hospital at the time of the 1911 census, so is documented there as apposed to his home address.
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Hi Alan,
The records are kept at the hospital itself if in recall correctly, you contact the museum and arrange to view them. I was going to do this for PC Chappell J Division, but felt that his death certificate told me all I really wanted to know.... he died of some sort of constriction of his throat, I forget the actual medical term but it sounded awful!!!
Also anyone in please correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that patients of an asylum back in the day, might not necessarily be subject to a mental health condition as per popular culture would portray. But that any long term debilitating physical illness, may result in being admitted to an “asylum”.
Gordon.
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St James’s Walk 13th February 2020.
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That is grim and interesting Alan, you should put all this into a book!!!
Just out of interest for any further projects, if you ever research anyone who had any treatment in the London Hospital Whitechapel back in the day, you can get copies of their medical notes!!
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Did we ever get to the bottom of whether a Sergeant Warder was in the Police or the Prison service?
There’s an example currently up for auction if anyone’s interested?
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St James’s walk Clerkenwell 13th February 2020.
Number 26 childhood home of Constable PHIPPS, which is only a stones throw for where Clerkenwell Prison once stood. He was living there at the time of the Fenian bomb attack of 1868.
No doubt Sergeant GILBERY would have had some involvement in the policing of that incident.
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Cable Street Mural 12th Feb 2020.
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Clerkenwell Green 12th Feb 2020.
The disorder during which Sgt GILBERY was assaulted took place here and no doubt would have centred around St James church, interestingly Constable PHIPPS lived at 26 St James’s walk Clerkenwell Green, which borders St James church.
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Alan,
The crime scene as of 11th Feb 2020.
But not as Watkin’s would remember it ?.
Gordon.
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Syliva HULME
Born August 1950 (originally from Kinmel Bay)
Went to school at Abergele Grammar (Emrys ap Iwan) - photo dated April 1967
Police Cadet 17th July 1967 joined Flintshire Constabulary
WPC Collar number 52 and then became 1252, when WPC's become PC's.
Stationed at
Deeside 1970-72
Hawarden 1974 -76 (circ)
Buckley 1975
Flint 1983 (circ)
Holywell 1983 (circ)
Mold 1991 (front desk)
Mold 1996 (retired)
Prestatyn (Traffic Dept at some point)
Played on the Force Net Ball Team and was also a Fed Rep and was Narpo treasurer.
Lived at 16 Cae Y Dderwen, Greenfield, Holywell.
Died 23rd October 2016 aged 69. Assets £905,873.
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This newspaper article, would account for the Bradley’s change of address between 1901 and 1911.
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WPC52 Sylvia HULME
Gwynedd Constabulary and North Wales Police.
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First regular female police officer, LSGC I’ve seen.
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Stumbled across this photograph on a well known auction site, it was being sold by an antiques dealer in Bournemouth. The fact that the chap was wearing two 1902 Coronation Medals, is what initially drew my attention to it.
Thanks to Jim Kemp I was able to put a name to him, so immediately set about trying to piece his life story together. I never grow tired of what I discover when I conduct a project and the story of this chap was no different.
Here's what I've been able to piece together so far...................
Henry Liford BRADLEY
Born 28th March 1861 Greenwich, Kent.
Joins the Metropolitan Police at Great Scotland Yard 14.06.1886 warrant number 71882 posted to W Division. Collar number 142W.
Married 12th September 1886 to Emma Elizabeth (CURTEIS) (19) Henry is 25. He gives his address as 8 King Street New Town occupation Police Constable. Emma was living at 34 St John's Road. They were married at St Paul's Deptford. 8 King Street address is the address of his parents, his father William is listed as living there on both the 1871 and 1881 censuses. Given Emma's address I suspect that Henry was stationed at Lavender Hill Police Station and met her as she lived on his beat?
Their first child Bertram is born 1890 in Clapham.
In the 1891 census we find Henry, Emma and Bertram living at 338 Paradise Road, Vauxhall. This might suggest that Henry, was now stationed at Clapham Police Station, as this station is only a few minutes walk from their home.
Unfortunately his 10 years service in W Division did not result in any newspaper worthy incidents, neither does he ever give evidence at the Old Bailey. So sadly this period of his service is lost to history.
However upon promotion and a posting to Barnet, Henry appears quite regularly in the local press so it is possible to piece together what life for a Bobby in Barnet at the time was like.
09.06.1896 promoted to Sergeant and posted to S Division as 55S. The numerous newspaper articles and census reports confirm that he was stationed in Barnet.
1901 living at 82 Sebright Street, Barnet with wife Emma, Bertram (11), Gladys (9), Elsie (6)Grace (3) and twins Dorothy & Alice (1).
1911 living at 75 Sebright Street, Barnet, with wife Emma, Gladys (19), Elsie (16), William (15) Grace (14), Dorothy (11), Iris (5), Winnifred (1). Assume Bertram has left home, unsure where William has come from. Sadly Alice, appears to have died. The census states 11 children born alive but only 8 remain so for the census. This would suggest that two other children died between 1901 & 1911. (Pictures exist of Bertrim & William).
17.07.1911 retires from the Police, having served 25 years and 33 days.
Height given as 5` 9.5"
Hair brown turning grey
Eyes blue
Complexion fresh
Distinguishing features - scar due to boil on calf right leg.Address on retirement 75 Sebright Road, Barnet.
Henry dies on the 7th October 1921 at Wellhouse Hospital Barnet, address still 75 Sebright Road. Leaving £216 11 shillings and 9 pence to his wife Emma Elizabeth.
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Thought this might be of interest?
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What a curious situation!!
Wasn’t WATKINS disciplined first having sex with a woman on his beat?
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9 hours ago, Flyingdutchman said:
Thanks Flyingdutchman, on closer examination they are 5 Fils
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4180.html
A small fortune!!!
Like a scene from the film Three Kings ??
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(1999_film)
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Female Police Officer Medals?
in Great Britain: Mervyn Mitton's British & Colonial Police Forces
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Thanks Peter, so if we're looking at no later than 1986 for the issue of this medal, so she must have joined around 1964?
What's the latest usage of white cardboard boxes we can confirm?