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Appears to have sold for £69 with two bidders.

There was a Special Constabulary Long Service Medal to a female on EBay recently starting bid if £65.00, don’t believe it sold. Shame her Constabulary wasn’t known, as I’d so often the case with modern Police medals. 

Saw these on another forum and thought they might be of interest. The reminiscences of Constable Langdon of the City of London Police.  What I found of particular interest is that it is clear evidences of another Bobby who was present during the time of Jack who is not mentioned in any of the books on the subject, yet clearly played a significant part during the investigation. Evidence that pretty much every confirms that every Bobby serving at the time would have played some sort of role and would have had tales to tell, which has long since been forgotten................... 

This is what I've been able to piece together about Neville YATES.

Neville YATES 
Born Blaenau Ffestiniog 1935
Grew up in Bodedern near Holyhead. 
Went to school Holyhead. 
Nickname Wsti & Yapper
 National Service - RAF? 
Collar number 427 and 27
Rossett early 1960's
Wrexham 1965 (CID)
DC Gresford 1967 (Gwynedd Constabulary)
Sergeant Denbigh mid 1967 on promotion from Wrexham. Lived in police houses on Maes Stanley. (Gwynedd Constabulary) gave Richard Morris's daughter and angora rabbit as a present. 
Inspector Llangefni late 1970's (Gwynedd Constabulary / North Wales Police)
Inspector Llangefni between 1973-1976
Inspector Llandudno eary 1980's North Wales Police)
Liked the ladies. Was married three times. Married a nurse before moving to Llandudno (third wife)
?Retired 1985? 
Mayor's consert Llandudno
Mayor Llandudno
(worked Ops Room Colwyn Bay at some point) Played snooker on nights.
Lived Penryn Bay
Walked his West Highland Terrier Hamish on Penryn Beach.
Daughter called Sandra married Chris Redmayne.
Died 2018. 
 

Neville YATES was the Lord Mayor of Llandudno. 

This group has been listed a couple of times now with no takers. Interesting as there was a time when H Division commanded a feeding  frenzy no matter what? Are people now becoming wise that H doesn’t necessarily equal Jack? 

Not seen one of these since. 
 

Wonder if it’s worth while getting attached to them just before you 20 years and qualifying for this medal, instead of the Police one?

I agree Alan, it’s a travesty when groups like this are split up for financial gain. I’ve lost count of how many EBay sellers I’ve contacted about the woes of splitting groups up. 

Has anyone got any medals to Bobbies that can be confirmed as having been involved in the siege? 

On 25/03/2019 at 17:48, Dave Wilkinson said:

There would probably have been one on his personal file. Whether that still exists, is the question. The other avenue to explore, if you have not done so, is to try to trace any living relatives. They may be able to help.

Dave.

 

It is surprising that such a high profile case at the time, didn’t mean his photograph was readily available and all over the papers. 
 

Having said that you would have thought that Insp Aberline of Ripper fame would have been the same, yet no photos of him are known to exist either!

Alan, this book is well worth a read too,  if you can track down a copy? Gordon. 

Just looking now to see if any of your chaps are mentioned in it.

This is great!!
 

Thanks for sharing it with us Alan. 

Well worth a read!!

Interesting KPM currently up for auction on Ebay, but you'll need deep pockets..................

eBay item number: 323945628353

Police Constable Joseph Daniels Metropolitan Police.

Joined 17th May 1886, posted to C Div PC 387 (St James), 10th August 1888, posted to J Div PC 223/PC 502 (Bethnal Green) 20 days before the murder of Polly Nichols, at Bucks Row. 15th August 1890 posted to E Div PC259 (Holborn). He received a pay increase on the 23rd May 1891. Then on the 23rd May 1892, he died on duty, from choking to death on his own false teeth, whilst effecting an arrest. A local paper, The Holborn and Finsbury Guardian ran the following story??.
The Danger of False Teeth
On Wednesday evening at St Clement Danes Vestry-hall, Strand, Mr John Troutbeck, the coroner for Westminster, held an inquiry into the circumstances attending the death of Police Constable Joseph Daniels 259E aged 27 years who was killed early on Sunday morning whilst taking a prisoner to Bow Street Police Station. Superintendent Steggles of the E Division, was present, Joseph Daniels a registration agent of 9 Meeting House Lane, Peckham. Identified the deceased as his son, lately resided at Jubilee Buildings, Waterloo Road. Sometime ago he had erysipelas in the face, and the divisional surgeon ordered him to have some of his teeth extracted and replaced by false ones. These he was wearing at the time of his death, PC 379E Alfred Smith, said that on Sunday morning at about 12:20 he was in Kemble Street, Clare market, taking a prisoner to Bow Street Police Station. A crowd of several hundred persons had assembled and an attempt to rescue the man was made. Witness blew his whistle and in response the deceased came running up. He took hold of the prisoners other arm and they had only proceeded a few yards, when the witness missed the deceased, and on looking round saw him lying on the pavement. Another constable came up and witness went oh his way. PC350E William Stewart said that he was on duty in Newcastle Street when he heard the whistle blow, and on going to Kemble Street saw the two Constables with a man in custody. Witness broke through the crowd, and then he saw the deceased lying on the ground. He immediately undid his collar and sent for an ambulance, on which he conveyed the unfortunate man to the hospital. By the Coroner: the deceased was not knocked down, kicked or otherwise assaulted. Dr Eric Law Pritchard, house physician at Kings College Hospital, said that the deceased was dead when he was admitted. He made the post-mortem examination, which revealed that the deceased, was an exceedingly healthy man. Just about the larynx witness found a set of false teeth impacted, which had produced suffocation, the cause of death. The teeth were of a very inferior make, no doubt they became loosened through the deceased running, and an inspiration drew them down his throat. The jury returned a verdict of ?Accidental Death? and added that they thought the deceased was over anxious to do his duty.

Entitled to the 1887 Jubilee Medal.

7 minutes ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

In my opinion, total rubbish (the medal, that is).

Dave.

I’m inclined to agree with you Dave.

I assume this particular medal is locally engraved? 

If anyone is interested, there's currently a Hong Kong Police Special Constabulary medal to an Insp on  eBay item number:

362778634564

Linking in with Alan Baird's below thread

Would be interested to hear from anyone who has done any research into the Clerkenwell bomb and what the press reported about it at the time.

On 03/08/2018 at 12:45, Trajan said:

Great story and great research - thanks for sharing!

I agree, very interesting!
 

Missed it the first time round. 

Great stuff Alan!!!!!

Look forward to that Alan. 
 

This books well worth a read, if you can get hold of a copy. 

Cracking discovery and write up Alan. 

Testament of just what gems can be discovered.

Every medal has a tale to tell, it’s just a matter of what can be revealed from the mists of time.

It’s what makes our hobby so rewarding!!!

On 06/10/2019 at 13:03, Alan Baird said:

Hi,

I have added some photographs of the engraving to Police Constable 122 Charley Packman's 1897 medal and who was attached to the 1st or Woolwich [Dockyard/Arsenal] division.

Unfortunately, it is a dull day and my camera is getting old so they are the best photographs that I can do at the present time.

He was awarded the Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1897 and the Coronation medals for 1902 and 1911 and served his whole service in 1st or Woolwich division.

Joined the Metropolitan Police on the 2/7/1888, warrant number 73743 and was therefore serving in the Metropolitan Police just prior to the start of the JTR murders. Retired on the 14th of September in 1914.

Metropolitan Police pension records will only tell you if that individual has served on 'Special Duties' ……..if they were on 'Special Duties' at the time of their retirement. Police Constable 122 Charley Packman is one such example because he was attached to ''Plumstead Marshes Magazine and the cost of this 'Special Duty' was paid for by the War Department.  

It would be interesting to show a Metropolitan Police 1887 medal for somebody serving in 1st or Woolwich division and compare the details/engravings. 

Is this the explosion chap Alan?

2 hours ago, dpk said:

All done- have my CofL medals!

Many thanks

Dave

Do tell what you’ve got Dave. 

80 years ago today.