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Medals of policeman that caught Yorkshire Ripper hoaxer Wearside Jack fetch hundreds at Sheffield auction

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Walter Young
Born 27th August 1918 in Wharfsdale.
1939 Citizens census has him listed as occupation bus conductor
His medal group includes the 1939-45 Star, Africa Star, Italy Star and War Medal. These medals have been court style mounted with his E11R Police Long Service & Good Conduct Medal. I have not been able to ascertain which branch of the Forces he served in or indeed whether he is entitled to these medals.
He was married and had two daughters. One of which married a Bobby called Reginald Keith Pickle of West Yorkshire Police. Tragically Reginald was killed on duty in November 1965 when he was crushed by a reversing lorry.
The Police Almanac states - No.3 Regional Crime Squad Deputy Co-ordinator Det Supt Walter Young. 
Covering - Derby, Doncaster, Grimsby, Leeds, Nottingham, Sheffield, Boston,Chesterfield, Mansfield. With Criminal Intelligence Office in Wakefield. 
Walter Young joined Leeds Police after the war around 1946, possibly following being demobbed from the forces and retired in 1976. I have been able to confirm that he was a Chief Superintendent of Leeds City Police until amalgamation in 1974, when that force became what was then known as the West Yorkshire Metropolitan Police.
In the 1960’s the Leeds Office of the No. 3 District Regional Crime Squad was based on the ground floor of the Leeds City Police Headquarters at Brotherton House, Westgate. In the 1970’s, it moved to the same building as the Traffic Department in Belle Vue Road. 
People who knew Walter personally described him as a very pleasant chap. 

In February 1970, Walter was involved in the manhunt for the double murderer Neil Adamson. 
Just after midnight (00:40 hours) on Sunday 15th February 1970, Adamson a known criminal safe blower and thoroughly deplorable excuse for humanity, broken into the Sunny Bank Mills, Farsley. Having triggered the silent alarm (installed as the premises had been targeted on a number of occasions), which sounded in Pudsey Police Station. This prompted an immediate response from several officers. A night watchman was known to patrol the premises as well. Inspector Barry Taylor aged 31 and married with two young children, arrived on the scene. Unable to gain entry to the premises  , requested a Constable try and make contact with the night watchman via phone, whilst  he claimed over the main gate.  A key holder who also lived within the premises was also alerted  and made his way across the Mill yard with his dog. He saw Inspector Barry who appeared to have heard a noise.  The Inspector had seen a crouching figure and who was armed with a shotgun. The Inspector ordered the figure to drop the gun and give himself up. The figure then discharged the gun at close range fatally wounding the Inspector and then made good his escape. The key holder and a Constable ran to the Inspector and using the Constables radio attempted to summon help. Unsure whether the message had got through, they went to the night watchman's office to use the phone. On entering the office they were presented with a grizzly sight. The watchman Ian Riley aged 32 was lying dead, having been shot twice once in the body and then executed by being shot a second time in the head. 
A constable saw Adamson jump over a wall and gave chase but could not get close to him and lost sight of him. 
In the meantime  tremendous police resources had been activated. Given the lack of radios and sheer volume of officers involved in the man hunt, it's intiall co-ordination was chaotic. 500 officers some armed with .303 Lee-Enfield rifles began one of Britain biggest man hunts. Members of public were warned not to approach Adamson. 

The search area covered over 15 miles. Less than three hours after the shootings, Superintendent Walter Young of the regional crime squad, accompanied by Detective Sergeant Mike Turner and Detective Constable Roger Puckham were searching an area bout 3 miles from the scene on Tong Lane. When a man carrying a sawn-off shotgun, who appeared 30 yards ahead of Supt Young. Young called to the man, "Drop it. You have had it. Don't be a bloody fool". But the man said nothing and backed off into the darkness. He then fired a shot towards Supt Young, before jumping over a wall. D/Sgt Buckham chased after the man. Within minutes 12 police cars were in the area, but the fugitive slipped through the net. The man hunt continued  throughout the night and into the next day. 

At 23:45 hours on Monday the 16th February information was received that Adamson was at an address in Colne Lancashire. Armed police and dog handlers were dispatched to the location and Adamson was seen inside the address. He appeared to be a sleep in a chair. A public address system was used to try and get him to surrender, but he appeared to ignore it. Officers forced entry into the address and arrested Adamson. Luckily he was no longer in possession of the shotgun. 
His case was heard at Crown Court and he was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment, to serve a minimum of 30 years, he subsequently died in prison in 2000. 

I have not been able to ascertain an exact date of when Walter retired, but he  died in  Boston Lincolnshire aged 81 on the 25th June 2000.

This is one of my favourite groups because sometime after I bought it, I was contacted by someone who had a picture of him from a family album. 

Joseph Samuel Poole

Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1887 and with the 1897 clasp, awarded to ''PC J Poole A divn'' and the Metropolitan Police Coronation medal for 1902, awarded to PC J Poole A divn.''

Joseph Samuel Poole was born in Stepney, in Middlesex, in 1859.

8/3/1880 Joseph Poole joins the Metropolitan Police [warrant number 64374] and according to the National Archives is assigned to 'K' or Bow division but the publication 'Metropolitan Police Men and their Medals states he joined 'H' or Whitechapel division. No matter because only a few month later, on the 3rd of August in 1880, PC Joseph Poole of 'H' division, is giving evidence at the Old Bailey trial of Thomas Buckley [21] who was charged with Burglary.

10/1/1881 PC [H403] Joseph Poole is again at the Old Bailey giving evidence at the trial of John Shea [20] and James Row [20] who were charged with robbery with violence against Emile Baker who was a sugar-baker in Christian Street, Commercial Road. The prisoners were found guilty and sentenced to 2 years and 14 months.

In the England Census of 1881, we find that PC Joseph Poole is stationed at King David's Lane Police Station , in the Parish of St Paul, in Shadwell, in Tower Hamlets.

7/1/1884 PC [H403] Joseph Poole is again at the Old Bailey giving evidence at the trial of Thomas White regarding coinage offences. The prisoner is sentenced to 18 months with hard labour.
29/12/1885 Joseph Samuel Poole marries Emma Cardy, in the Parish of St Paul, in Shadwell, in Tower Hamlets.

1887 awarded the Jubilee medal whilst now serving with 'A' or Whitehall division.
1897 awarded the Jubilee clasp whilst serving with 'A' or Whitehall division.
In the England Census of 1901, the family are residing at 89 Cobourg Buildings, in the Parish of St Margaret and St John. They now have two children. 
1902 awarded the Coronation medal whilst serving with 'A' or Whitehall division.
18/3/1906 PC Joseph Poole retires on pension from the Metropolitan Police and 'A' or Whitehall division.
In the England Census of 1911 Joseph S Poole and family are residing at 19 Abingdon Street, in Westminster.

Long before there was Jack.......................................

George LODGE

Born 1846 Shaftesbury, Dorset, England 

Joined Met on the 12th August 1867, Warrant Number 48780.

1st March 1869 gave evidence at the Old Bailey - FREDERICK TOOMEY & CHARLES CHRISTOPHER, Theft burglary. 
FREDERICK TOOMEY (20), and CHARLES CHRISTOPHER (26) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Mark Girschen, and stealing thirty-three pieces of cloth, his property.
MR. MOODY. conducted the Prosecution; and MR. ROWLAND. defended Toomey, and MR. GRIFFITHS. defended Christopher.
MARK GIRSCHEN . I live at No. 10, Artillery Passage, Bishopsgate Street, and am a tailor—about 2 o'clock on 17th February, I was called up, and missed several pieces of unfinished work, cut trowsers, and pieces of cloth—the value of the things stolen was about 5l.—I have some of them here—I shut up about 11 o'clock the night before—when I woke up, the first floor window was right open—the window was taken out, the ropes had been cut through—it was safe when I went to bed.
STEPHEN BIRD . I live at No. 8, Artillery Passage—on the morning of 17th February, between 2 and 3 o'clock, I heard some kind of cracking noise, as if someone was trying to break a window sash—I got up and looked out—I saw a man standing on the lead work over the shop front of Mr. Girschen's—he succeeded in getting the window open—I then went in and came back with a bundle, which he threw out of the window—I gave the alarm—the man jumped down and ran away—I called, "Police!" and a constable came up in about ten minutes—I can't say who the man was.
HENRY MILLER . (Policeman H 120). On this morning, I was on duty in Dorset Street—I heard a cry of "Stop thief!"—I saw Toomey coming from the direction of Artillery Passage, walking along with his hands in his pockets—it was about thirty yards from Artillery Passage I made a catch to get hold of him—he said, "I am d—if you shall catch me"—he ran down Dorset Street—I ran after him, but I was thrown down by a female, and lost sight of him—I went back to Artillery Passage, and as I turned out of Union Street I saw Christopher coming down—he was running, and constable 98 after him—he was caught about 100 yards from Artillery Passage.
Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS, Q. Was he taken in Union Street? A. No, Commercial Street—I said I came down Union Street—he fell down—he was not knocked down—I went up to him before he got up—he said, "I did not do anything, I have done nothing, what do you want with me?"—after he got up he said, "Let me stop for my cap"—he had no cap on—I did not let him stop.
Cross-examined by MR. ROWLAND. Q. You know where Toomey lives? A. Yes, in the neighbourhood.
JOHN WICKS . (Policeman H 201). I heard cries of "Police!" and saw Toomey running, in Dorset Street, from Artillery Passage—I ran after him to Spitalfields Market—there he fell down, and I fell on him—I asked him why he was running, and he never said anything, he was too much exhausted—he was very violent—I took him to the station, and charged him with breaking into this house—he did not say anything—he was running as fast as he could—I chased him about 150 yards before I caught him, I should think.
JOHN CRUDGE . (Policeman H 90). I heard cries, and saw two men running, in Dorset Street—I followed, with the other constable, and caught Toomey—he kicked and struggled very violently—we were too exhausted to say anything.
GEORGE LODGE . (Policeman H 98). I heard cries of "Stop thief!" and saw two men rush out of Artillery Passage—one ran towards Dorset Street, and the other towards me—I followed the one that came towards me up Artillery Street, Union Street, into Commercial Street, and there he fell, and I took him into custody—it was Christopher—he said he had done nothing, and I told him I did not believe it—I took him back to Artillery Passage, and when I got there I found the clothes lying on the ground—there were nine pairs of trowsers, two coats, a vest, and there was some cloth on the ledge under the window—I took Christopher to the station—Toomey was there when we got there—they both said they knew nothing of it—I did not lose sight of the man that I followed from the time he came out of Artillery Passage till I stopped him.
Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. How far were you from Artillery Passage? A. About twenty yards, when he came out—there were no other persons about there—I mean to say that I can't say whether he fell, or was knocked down—I was close to him—he might have been tripped up by some passers by—he had no cap on—I won't swear that he did or did not ask me to let him get his cap—I did not have a struggle with the other constable as to who should take him to the station—I found his cap under the clothes in Artillery Passage—he said, "I have done nothing; what do you want with me?"—he may have said, "Let me stop for my cap;" I did not hear him—there were two or three constables there—I said to him, "Come on, and we will see"—he said, "All right, I have done nothing"—I was examined before the Magistrate on two occasions—I did not say anything about his having no cap the first time; I omitted it, and I told the inspector directly I came out, and that was the reason I was examined the second time.
MR. MOODY. Q. Had Christopher a cap on when he came out of the passage? A. No; when I went back I found it under the clothes—he said it was not his—he has worn it since—this is it (produced).
JOHN HOSKINSON . (Police Inspector H). Toomey was brought to the station nearly exhausted—I asked what was the matter, and it was some few minutes before I could get an answer from the constables—Toomey became very violent, and we were obliged to put him in the cell till I could make inquiries—when he was told the charge he said, "The b—were after me, springing the rattles"—Christopher said nothing—I went to the house, and found that the entrance had been made by the first floor window—the bottom sash had been forced out—one man could not have done it alone.
NOT GUILTY .

1871 Bethnal Green - 82-86 something unreadable Road, Police Station, H division

10th February 1879 gave evidence at the Old Bailey - 
ALFRED TRACEY, Theft simple larceny, offences occurred on M Division.
Stealing five pieces of cloth, one firkin, and 84lb. of butter, of the London, Brighton, and South Coast Railway Company.
MESSRS. OPPENHEIM and MOSELEY Prosecuted; MR. RAVEN Defended.
JAMES RICHARD BATE . I am in the employ of Messrs. Cook and Sons, of St. Paul's Churchyard—this cloth (produced) belongs to them—I know it quite well—on 2nd November I received a traveller's order for six pieces for Lelliot, of Brighton—I selected them, and executed the order the same day—I did not pack them.
HENRY PATTESON . I am in the packing department of Cook and Sons—on 2nd November I delivered a canvas truss containing cloth to a carman named Smith belonging to the North Western Railway Company for Lelliot, of Brighton—I entered it at the time in this book, which Smith signed in my presence.
JOHN TREDENNICK . I am in the employ of Cook and Sons—this piece of black cloth belongs to them—this ticket was on it on 2nd November in their warehouse at the time the cloth was selected.
JOSEPH SMITH . I am a carman in the employ of the London and North-Western Railway Company—on 2nd November last I received from Cook and Son's 14 packages, amongst them a truss of cloth for Lelliot, of Brighton, and signed this book for it—I took the goods to the head office at the Swan with Two Necks in Gresham Street, and they were checked off there—I delivered them as I received them, including the truss.
THOMAS ROGERS . I am employed at the Swan booking-office in Gresham Street—I was there on Saturday, 2nd November—I saw a package brought in, and delivered it to Stageman's van belonging to the Brighton Railway.
HENRY WOODLEY . I am a checker in the employ of the Brighton Railway Company at Willow Walk station—I was there on November 2nd—I remember some goods being brought there by Stageman—I checked them with the delivery note—I did not find a truss for Lelliot, of Brighton—there ought to have been—I made a note of it on the delivery note.
WILLIAM WOOD . I am in the employ of Emma Lelliot, a draper, of Trafalgar Street, Brighton—at the latter end of October last I gave an order for some cloth to Messrs. Cook's traveller from a sample which he showed me—it was similar to the cloth produced—it did not arrive—I expected it 4 or 5 days after I had ordered it.
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CHARLES CHAPMAN . I am butterman to the London Brighton and South Coast Railway Company—it is my business to attend to the butter at the Willow Walk Station—on November 4 there were 60 tubs and 72 crocks of butter to go to Dixon, Carter, and Co., of Whitechapel—the tubs were marked K C B; this tub (produced) is so marked—Stageman's van was at the Willow Walk Station that morning, and I loaded it with the 60 tube and the crocks of butter—at that time there were 40 firkins of butter at the station; they were not for Dixon and Co.—I did not put any firkin on the van—Stageman left with the van—after he had gone I missed a firkin—this (produced) is one of the firkins.
JOHN CRONIN . I am a van boy in the service of the London Brighton and South Coast Railway Co.—on Nov. 4 last I went out as mate with Stage-man, who was a carman in their employ—we had to deliver some butter at Dixon and Carter's—we stopped on the road to breakfast—we then went to 3, Collingwood Street, Bethnal Green—Stageman then said, "Hand me down one firkin and a tub of the butter"—I did so, and it was taken in to No. 3, Collingwood Street—I saw the prisoner there on that occasion at the door; he took the butter in—I heard him talking to Stageman; I did not hear what was said—I had seen him before with Stageman, about twice, at Willow Walk—he came with us twice for a ride.
Cross-examined. He lives at 3, Collingwood Street—Stageman was in charge of the van—I saw everything that was taken down—I was behind—the things were taken off in front—nothing else was taken off at the prisoner's house—I was not there when a brown paper parcel was taken in—when we left Collingwood Street we went to Dixon and Carter's—I was with the van all the day—there was an accident in Dixon and Carter's yard, the pole caught Stageman in the chest, and he went to the hospital.
JOHN WILLIAM INGERSOLE . I am a carman in the service of the Brighton Railway Company—on November 4 I was sent to Dixon and Carter's yard to take charge of Stageman's van—I unloaded it—I found 59 tubs of butter and 72 crocks; that was all there was in the van—I looked at the sheet that was given to Stageman.
JAMES WALSH (Police-Sergeant M). On November 4, about 1 o'clock, in consequence of circumstances that came to my knowledge, I went with Harvy to Collingwood Street—it is a very low street, nobody living in it as far as I could see but a lot of costermongers; there were a lot of costermongen' barrows in the street—as we were going down Boundary Street a little girl, between 10 and 12, who stood at the public-house at the corner facing Collingwood Street, called out "Coppers"—she ran into No. 3—I and Harvey ran after her as hard as we could; we pushed her into the passage and ran upstairs—the room door was partly open—I jumped inside to the middle of the floor, and said, "We are policemen"—the prisoner and a man named Hill were in the room—I said, "What about this butter?" the firkin of butter and this cloth were standing beside him; the cover was on, but un-fastened—Hill and the prisoner were standing together—I had no sooner spoken than I was hit on both sides by the two—there was a picture there, and I was driven through the picture—the prisoner ran and jumped through the first-floor window and escaped, and Hill was going downstairs—a dog had hold of me behind—I ran after Hill, brought him back, and threw him down on the floor, and Harvey took possession of him—I then searched the room—I found these 5 pieces of cloth, one of which had on the ticket that has been produced; I gave it to Mr. Wright—4 of the pieces of cloth were on the bad, partly open; this black piece was in a box under the bed—I gave evidence here in December, when Stageman was tried and convicted of stealing the butter—I made many inquiries for Tracey, but could not find him—I went to the house night and day—I knew where he was, but every time I went there he was sure to be gone—I afterwards saw him in custody at the Southwark Police-court in January.
Cross-examined. Hill was tried for receiving this property, and was acquitted—he pleaded guilty to an assault upon me—I have also preferred an indictment against the prisoner for the assault—he hit me; both of them hit me together—I did not see any more of the girl in the house—the room was a small front-room; there are only four rooms in the house—the land-lady told me the prisoner lived there—the butter was about a yard inside the door.
Re-examined. Hill did not live there, he lived at 25, Hackney Road.
GEORGE HARVEY (Police Sergeant M). I was in company with "Walsh on this occasion, when the prisoner jumped out of the window; I am quite sure he is the same man—he was charged at the station with taking this butter—he said "All right" or "That's right."
ELIZABETH VENABLES . I live with my husband, Charles Venables, at 3, Collingwood Street—the prisoner lodged there for five or six months before November—he occupied the front room upstairs—on 4th November I was there when a tub and a firkin of butter were brought in—the prisoner was in his own room upstairs at the time—I was not present when he was at the door—I saw the two constables come and go upstairs—the prisoner did not come back to his lodging after that day—I did not see the cloth brought to the house; I heard something come on the Saturday night, that was the cloth—I do not know who brought it.
Cross-examined. My door was half open, and the prisoner carried the cloth by the room door; it was rolled up in something; I saw a great big bundle on his back—I swear it was the cloth—my name is not Venables, that is the name I go by.
JOHN WRIGHT . I am a detective in the employ of the London, Brighton, and South Coast Railway Company—on 4th November last I saw the cloth and took this ticket from it—I know the prisoner; he was in the employ of the Brighton Railway in 1867 for a month all but four days as carman.
GEORGE LODGE (Policeman H 98). I arrested the prisoner in Pelham Street, Brick Lane, Spitalfields, on 4th January—I told him I wanted him for the butter job over the water—he said I was wrong.
GUILTY of receiving the cloth and stealing the butter . He further
PLEADED GUILTY** to a previous conviction at Newington on 8th September, 1878.— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.

1881 Whitechapel Living at 19 Albert Street (now Deal Street north of Woodseer Street) - married first wife Jane who passed away.
11th March 1883 he was a PC in H Div (98H) and was promoted to PS and transferred to B Div (Chelsea)
14th December 1883 he was a PS in B Div and was transferred to P Div (Camberwell)
1885 Lambeth (married second wife Elizabeth) (very near Camberwell) 
1887 P Division 
26th May 1888 he was PS No 36P and became PS 4PR (part of P Div Reserve)
1891 Southwark (still in Police) (very near Camberwell) 
11th July 1892 he was PS in P (still 4PR) and went to L Div as 5LR (again in the Reserve)
19th September 1892 he was still PS in L Div (5LR) when he was pensioned
19th September 1892 - Discharged (pensioned) as a PS in L Div (Lambeth) – his number was 5LR – the R denotes he was part of the L Division Reserve
His conduct mark was 2 which I think was Very Good at that time (1 = Exemplary).
1901 Living in Camberwell 
1911 Police Pensioner Clapham
1927 Died.

James SAMPSON

Born on 26th January 1868 in Croydon Cambridgeshire, James William Sampson. Baptised 23rd Feb 1868.
1881 Living in Fordham Newmarket. Was an unmarried leather dresser from Cambridgeshire prior to enlistment.

Had his medical examination on the 25th June 1889. His height given as 5` 10 and a half inches. Weight 11 stone 4 Lbs. Chest 35 and a half inches. Complexion fair. Eyes grey. Hair dark.


He joined the Met 15/07/89 as a PC in R Div Warrant No. 74634. Collar number being 191R. 
1891 stationed/living at Eltham Police Station, High St, Eltham Police Station- R Division (5th April 1891)
1894 (29th September) posted to H Division. Collar number 469H. The reason for the move was Disciplinary.
1897 H Division for Diamond Jubilee.
1901 living at 102 Mile End Road Old Town with 11 other Constables and a Sergeant (census 31st March 1901) - predominantly support for Arbour Square and Shadwell stations.
1902 (8th March 1902) posted to V Division.
1902 V Division (married living at 20 Smeaton Road, Wandsworth 11th September 1902) -(address destroyed by WW2 bomb?)
1904 (11th August 1904) posted to L Division.
1911 living in Newington (L Division).

He was pensioned 20/07/14 as a PC in L. Discharge Register and it shows he got a Class 3 Conduct, which may account for him being moved around quite a bit and no promotion. 

His medal entitlement is 
1897 Jubilee PC H Div 
1902 Coronation PC V Div
1911 Coronation PC (living in Newington)

Time served in each Division.
R Division 15th July 1889 - 29th Septemeber 1894.
H Division 29th September 1894 - 8th March 1902.
V Division 8th March 1902 - 11th August 1904.
L Division 11th August 1902 -20th July 1914.

Saturday 09 November 1889 Kentish Independent 
... charged with stealing a quantity of potatoes and a wicket basket, value is 2d, the property of Major Grier.—Police Constable Sampson, 191 R, said that at one o'clock that morning, as be passed Major Grier's yard, he noticed that the gate, which he had ...

Sunday 30 October 1898 Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper 
... aged 32, a cabinet maker, was charged. at Worship Street police Court, on Friday, with disorderly conduct 469 H said that on Sunday there was a service by the Angel Mission being held at the corner of Commercial Street and Whitechapel Road........


Wednesday 20 July 1904 London Daily News A Constable Convicted
It was proved at the South Western Court, yesterday, that Constable Sampson, 441 V, unwarrantably arrested old man, and twice struck him the head with his truncheon. Last week the man, George Powman, who for years has had a fish ...

Wednesday 20 July 1904 London Evening Standard 
.. had stood lor many years with bis oyster barrow, and also with assaulting Police Constable Sampson 441 V —Since the adjournment summons bad been issued against the constable charging him with having assaulted Powman with his truncheon. The Accused was ...

Friday 03 July 1908 Kentish Mercury Camberwell Woman's Dispair
... carried in and gave an address in Camberwell, was charged with attempting throw herself into the Surrey Canal. Police Constable Sampson, 550 L, stated that about half-past one that morning he found prisoner on the canal bank her hat off and her coat undone ...



Interesting that despite being convicted in court for assault in 1904, he wasn't dismissed from the force, but just fined and transferred from V Division the L Division...........

Does anyone recognise this chap? 

On 27/02/2019 at 19:19, bigjarofwasps said:

These medals don't come up very often, so was  delighted to be able to add this medal to my collection. It being the first time it's been on the market, bought from his family. 

Howard Ellis 
Born circ 1919 Pentrefoelas went to school in Llanrwst. 
Served WW2 in the Welsh Guards
Joined the police after the war. 
His brother Cynwal Ellis was also a PC as was his son Gwynfor Ellis.
Stationed at.... 
Llandudno
Bethel
Caernarfon 
Llanuwchllyn.
Promoted to sergeant in 1957 and served in Penygroes followed by Caernarfon.
Died whilst still serving in 1970 at the age of 51 of cancer.

I have been able to confirm that his other medals are the France & Germany Star & the War Medal, for his service with the Welsh Guards during WW2. 

His collar numbers during his police service were 193 as a Constable & 4 as a Sergeant. 

Another contender is Conwy Station, which was built in the 1860’s and is documented on Black’s guide to North Wales dated 1869. It’s still an operational station today! 

7 hours ago, Deelibob said:

When the Police Exemplary Service Medal (LS&GC) came into being 1951. All officers serving with the requisite time served (22 Years) got it so if John Hughes joined say 1920'2 and was still serving 1951 then he got the medal. This happened in all forces and Liverpool City Police must have got hit for  hundreds of the awards ( There being over 1000 joining in 1919 alone to bolster ranks after the Strike)

 I work on the assumption that everyone gets 15 minutes of fame (I am still waiting for mine) and so had a look at John  Hughes and he may be one and the same as, John HUGHES, born 10:2:1896,  Son of a  Farmer, David and his Wife Jane living on a Farm at Meifod, Llanrhaido, Denbigh. He probably served WWi and joined the Police on demob. I found that he had served on Anglesey during WWII and resided with his Wife Ann Hughes Nee Jones at 23 Well Street, Amlech, Anglesey. Working on my 15 minutes theory he may well have been serving there in the Borough Force  prior to Amalgamation/s and if so  May have been involved in the Arrest/Aftermath of the Murder of PC Pritchard in 1924.

Wishful thinking, maybe, but possible and I can find no other  John Hughes who fits the bill.

Hope of use

Peter

 

 

Many thanks for this Peter, it is certainly very thought provoking and something I shall certainly took into further!!!!!!

If it is the same John HUGHES, then this is his house on Well Street. 

Those are great Alan, thanks for sharing them!!!!! Are they in your possession? 

Look forward to further Tales of the Station Cat, when you get a minute.

These medals don't come up very often, so was  delighted to be able to add this medal to my collection. It being the first time it's been on the market, bought from his family. 

Howard Ellis 
Born circ 1919 Pentrefoelas went to school in Llanrwst. 
Served WW2 in the Welsh Guards
Joined the police after the war. 
His brother Cynwal Ellis was also a PC as was his son Gwynfor Ellis.
Stationed at.... 
Llandudno
Bethel
Caernarfon 
Llanuwchllyn.
Promoted to sergeant in 1957 and served in Penygroes followed by Caernarfon.
Died whilst still serving in 1970 at the age of 51 of cancer.

It's difficult to make out what they are but he certainly is wearing at least two other medal ribbons on the below picture. I assume they are the 1939-45 Star and War Medal. The Welsh Guards, were at Dunkirk. 

I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say that Police LSGC's are pretty common and it's frustrating that they don't have the Bobbies force engraved on the rim.

So when you get one with it's box or paperwork it adds to the allure?

A few years back I manage to add just such an example to my collection. I'm not aware of any interesting or indeed famous cases that this chap might have been involved in. He clearly served during WW2 and I'm in no doubt that he did his bit as North Wales took a lot of bombs meant for Liverpool. It's also of interest that Prestatyn in North Wales was the only place in the UK to be bombed by the Regia Aeronautica.

Anyway I digress the point I'm trying to make is that this chaps LSGC on the face of it is nothing exciting, however, when it's looked at in a little more detail to me it does become a little more interesting and dare I say it rare.......

PC HUGHES must have joined the in the late 1930's, I have a book about the history of Caernarfon Constabulary were he is listed in a nominal role for the force and I believe he was stationed in Llandudno.

You will note that he has the Gv1R version of the medal and that he lid of the box says Gwynedd Constabulary.

Gwynedd Constabulary wasn't formed until 1950 and E11R became Queen in 1953. Which means that HUGHES medal must have been issued at some point during that 3 year period, I can't imagine there being that many Bobbies who qualified for their LSGC in Gwynedd Constabulary during those three years. I'm not suggesting that HUGHES medal is in anyway more valuable than anyone other Police LSGC, but I would suggest that it could be classed as rarer than your average one to me, anyway.......................

Keep the info coming Alan, (have you considered posting it on the Ripper Forum, I'm sure there's loads of people who would enjoy reading your findings!!) It certainly makes great reading.

As do your posts on the Tales of the Station Cat, spent an hour or so earlier re-reading them and some that I'd missed the first time round. Supt Greenough for example, tightest bugger on earth  and PC Haddock sure I've read this story in a book somewhere? 

23 minutes ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

They had better hurry up. PCSO's are on the way out. Norfolk Constabulary have scrapped their entire compliment. The CC stated that when they were introduced, they were a good financial option. However, over the years their salary has increased to the extent that they are now not much cheaper than a recruit Constable. As a result of the cash saved he has been able to recruit 80 probationers. I visited London recently and was amazed to see PCSO's walking around in threes, and on one occasion there were four of them chatting on the corner of a street! The Met. obviously have far too many, with not a lot to do.

Dave.      

Believe the Welsh Government funding ends for them soon as well.... let’s not start minting any PCSO LGGC’s just yet.

PCSO’s as well, perhaps? 

2 hours ago, Craig said:

Its only been going for 6 years. Hardly long service. If they are counting their job service, give them the job medal. 

Agreed, I'm not entirely sure how that works if I'm honest. 

This chap for example............

http://huddlehub.co.uk/articles/0717/former-intelligence-operations-director-of-national-crime-agency-joins-cumbria-police.html

Sold on Ebay for over £200!!!!!!!!!

There's the makings of a book here Alan!!!! 

In all seriousness, I think my humble contribution, might in fact be a real contender for the oldest still operational nick in the UK?

Unless anyone can out trump me? 

Leigh,

Found this, thought it might be of interest? 

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1900-01-01/1913-12-31?basicsearch=constable 225g newstead&exactsearch=true&place=london%2c london%2c england&retrievecountrycounts=false&mostspecificlocation=london%2c london%2c england&newspapertitle=islington gazette&sortorder=score

Gordon. 

Was surprised to learn (according to Google, anyway) that, the oldest operational police station in London is in Wapping, which opened in 1908!

Thought it might be interesting to see what the oldest nick forum members have ever been based at? 

Wonder what the oldest nick in the country is? 

Here's my humble contribution, 1891. Inside it's been completely refurnished, but the exercise yard still remains intake.