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Ladies/Gents,
Can anyone shine any light on the role of a Metropolitan police reserve officer in Edwardian period? Where they like a modern day special constable? I know the chap I'm interested in joined up in 1890 (would he have joined as a reserve?), certainly by 1906 he was listed as a reserve, finally retiring in 1917.
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Nice that the "gap" in the information about J HUGHES can be beyond reasonable doubt ascertained as this chap. I would further offer that I have the entire nominal roll for Caernarfon Constabulary in September 1950. J HUGHES appears in the list of names under Supt O G EAMES and Insps I EVANS & Ll ROBERTS (assume this to be Llewelyn). If any of these senior Officers can be narrowed down to a particular area or even station this will give us an idea as to which station John HUGHES was based at.............?
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The chap I'm looking at was allowed to resign in 1893 from C Division (Met).
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Thanks guys. I had a suspicion that this might be the case. I'd be curious to know of any examples that research has uncovered with regards to police officers being allowed to resign. I would have thought that most cases would be pretty straight forward like being drunk on duty for instance.
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Can anyone tell me what permitted to resign means?
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On 6/8/2016 at 10:11, bigjarofwasps said:
It appears that CAMPBELL's medals do in fact exist.
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Anyone help me out with this one? Can't find seem to find him... 1897 Jubilee medal to PC J.GARIN E.DIVISION.
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Has anyone ever come across an example of a medal named to an none H Division officer, but who was involved in an incident whereby he gave evidence with his parent Divisional details at court for an incident that took place within H Division, so it can be assumed that he must have been drafted into H Division for the anti-Jack patrols. I don't know if such an example exists, but surely with the "hundreds" of officers drafted in (PC Frederick WENSLEY L Division is an example), surely one of them must have made an arrest for something that ended up in a court hearing? I have been searching for sometime now but haven't turned anything up yet. I am mainly basing my search on Old Bailey trials. But perhaps the press reports on local court hearings might also be a source? Has anyone ever come across an example or have one in their collections perhaps, I would very much like to hear from anyone who can offer an example.
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1 hour ago, Dave Wilkinson said:
Since my previous posting on the subject, I am led to believe that Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley of the Metropolitan Police was awarded his Police Long Service & Good Conduct Medal several years ago whilst serving as Chief Constable of Surrey. I suspect that this is probably the most recent of a number. I'm unsure as to whether at the time he had served 20 or 22 years.
Dave.
Dave, that's interesting so Mr ROWLEY was awarded his LSGC as the Chief of Surrey.
Going back to Welsh examples, I will keep ob's and see what the highest rank in Welsh naming I can find. If anyone else can assist, I for one would be very interested.
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Here is an example of a RHINGYLL (Sgt), you will note that the style of naming was stamp engraved as apposed to laser engraved. Which would suggest that this example was issued sometime ago? So it would appear that perhaps Welsh named medals have in fact been around for sometime.....
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19 hours ago, EricSerge said:
Check page sixteen at the bottom of the Annex.
Where is Op LEEWAY?
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First 46 2008 GSM's issued...............
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defence-secretary-awards-new-medal-to-46-troops
On 5/31/2016 at 23:18, Odin Mk 3 said:I see that a company called Empire Medals is advertising miniatures for the GSM 2008. The five bars are:
Arabian Peninsula, Eastern Africa, Northern Africa, Western Africa and Southern Asia.
I assume this will go along with the previous GSM, whereby one with medal multiple clasps as apposed to the OSM whereby multiple medals awarded, to a single serviceman/women.
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On 6/12/2016 at 07:31, Dave Wilkinson said:
Speak to your HR again and ask if they can give you the name of an Officer locally who has recently had such a Welsh engraved medal awarded. A photo of the rim would, I'm sure, be of interest.
Dave.
Dave, mission accomplished! Here we have it.............
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On 6/9/2016 at 13:24, Kevin Ham said:
Hello
PC Brinley Booth is my wife's grandfather. Is it possible to let me know what information you have in the PNBs (personal notebooks?) about this episode please? This week is the 70th anniversary of his death. Thanks so much
Kevin, unfortunately I don't have these pocket notes books any more. I can't even remember what I did with them (it was 12 years ago). I must have swapped them for something else, am really sorry I can't shine any more light on this for you
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I have spoken with someone within HR and was informed that you can have your medal engraved in Welsh and it seems that loads of officers have chosen to have their medals engraved with such, so it appears there are examples out there, keep your eyes peeled!!!!
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7 minutes ago, paul wood said:
Another nice group PC R Franklin S Division Met, late 9th Lancers, sold 2011 £1,800 Paul
Nice group!!! Nice price as well mind
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19 hours ago, paul wood said:
This group to Hugh Graham Lang Chief Constable of East Sussex late Seaforth Highlanders certainly takes the biscuit, estimated at £800-1,000 sold for £2,400 DNW May 2016, 31 years between first medal and 1911 Coronation
Paul
What a cracking group!!!!!!
This group is a particular favourite of mine. No idea whether it still exists, but the fact that it did at one time, I think is brilliant.
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29 minutes ago, QSAMIKE said:
Good Morning......
Thank You for your reply......
The naming on the first medal for Thomas is as follows: INSPT. T. WORTH W DIVN
In further digging I have found out that the Jubilee medal was given to a third son PERCY EDGAR WORTH, Joined 1910 Discharged 1946.....
Mike
Have you by chance got the son's medals or know what he was entitled to? I'm looking to try and ascertain medal groups to bobbies that had the 1911 coronation medal and the WW2 defence medal (for police service). Particularly pairs like Percy may have had, whereby he had unbroken police service from being awarded the 1911 medal and being awarded the defence medal.
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On 6/6/2016 at 10:19, paul wood said:
I think the answer is that if it does exist it is a very rare combination can find no record of such a group, pair turning up in commerce (could be a trio with the Turkish medal).
Paul
The more I look into this the more I'm inclined to agree with you Paul. I think there's more chance of a bobby having the 1911 medal and a WW2 defence medal, than a Crimea & 1887 medal.
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Would be interesting if such a group could be identified. I was thinking perhaps of a chap who was a drummer boy aged 15 or so, leaves the army aged 20 or so in 1860, 27 years later (he's still only in his late 40's) gets the 1887 medal?
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Ladies/Gents,
Just out of interest does anyone know whether such a medal group exists?
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2 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:
This is an interesting concept and I suppose it could be taken one step further than simply showing the rank in Welsh. Why are they awarding medals to Welsh forces which have on them ANY English wording? If the Act applies to showing the rank in Welsh then surely it must apply to the wording on the medal as a whole.
Dave.
That I suppose would mean designing & minting an entirely new medal, I can't see them doing that, although it is an interesting concept. But I assume just changing the ranking would be pretty straight forward?
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1 hour ago, paul wood said:
Start that and the Scottish Police in the western Isles will want it in Gaelic, the Cornish Constabulary in Cornish and the Isle of Man Police in Manx.
Paul
Paul, duly noted. HOWEVER how many of these other locations have an act of parliament which makes it law to have things bilingually?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Language_Act_1993
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Reserve Officers Edwardian Period
in Great Britain: Mervyn Mitton's British & Colonial Police Forces
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Thanks Odin, that's very interesting. I wonder why they bothered having them and not just have them as a normal officer?
Just out of further curiosity how did they progress during WW2? If an officer had retired with the rank of Insp, would they have served as an Insp (reserve) during WW2? Would they have gone back to their old division? Is there any records for reserve officer postings during the war?