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    bigjarofwasps

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    1. Ladies/Gents,

      Without wishing to make light of injures sustained by service personal in anyway shape or form!!!!!

      I'm curious to know has anyone heard any amusing tales of injuries sustained which resulted in a PH been awarded? The type of thing that you wouldn't brag about down the pub.....:cheers:

      What's the lamest wound that someone had been awarded a PH for? So lame that the guy refused to wear his PH?:D

       

    2. Thanks gents, that's very interesting. If you where shown a double MOH how could you tell, do they have an emblem on the ribbon like other US medals do?

       

      I believe that the various arms have a slightly different MOH, if someone should win say one asa Marine and another as Soldier, would they wear two MOH's?

       

      Or did the 13 double winners in fact wear two MOHs?

       

    3. I was conducting some research into how many Purple Hearts an individual soldier had `won` during the course of their career. I believe this to be Robert L Howard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Howard during the Vietnam war (there's also a guy whose won 5 for Iraq & Afghanistan). Interesting Howard was recommended for the Medal of Honor on three separate occasions. Which leads me onto my question is it possible (like the Victoria Cross) to win the Medal of Honor more than once?

    4. The process for the recommendation and award for the LSGC, from what I have learnt is extremely thorough  however it is only as good as to the information inputted, by HR. In the case I have uncovered it has certainly failed and I believe a whitewash has been enforced. HR have blamed the Royal Mint which as we know would appear to be blameless however. I wonder whether they are indeed aware of the mis awards of these medals and it is the HR department that have taken the decision to allow these medals to stand? I appear to have been fobbed off, which is disappointing, so I guess I'll never know. One thing I do know without any shadow of doubt is that at least one officer without the required 20 years service has been awarded the medal, the fact that nothing has been done to recover this medal,suggests that there are more and it would be just to hard to trace them all? How many forces this effects I do not know, but I do know that at least one is involved.

    5. You need to understand the process which takes place which eventually results in the Royal Mint "issuing" (if that is the correct word) a Police Long Service & Good Conduct Medal. That process starts with a Certificate being signed by the Commissioner/Chief Constable confirming that the Officer concerned has completed the required period of service and that during that period his/her conduct has been exemplary. The certificate is then then forwarded to the relevant Secretary of State who authorises the Royal Mint to provide the medal. The named medal is then sent to the authorising Secretary of State who completes a Certificate and then sends this, together with the named medal to the requesting police force who will then arrange its presentation. If there have been errors then those errors have been made by the respective police forces. I would suggest that the intimation that the fault lays with the Royal Mint and its staff is spurious, to say the least.

      Dave     

       

       

       

      That was my roughly my understanding of how the process worked, HOWEVER, when I approached the Fed about the matter, who in turn approached HR. HR told the Fed that the error was on behalf of the Royal Mint who had a new employee in post, who was unaware of the correct criteria. When I questioned this discrepancy further, it was evident that no one other than myself really cared and that was the end of the matter. I was just curious to know whether I am in fact the only one who cares or not. As I've noted above to give one to an officer with a little over tens years seems to belittle the efforts of someone who has done the required 20. I would further like to add that this whole situation arose from the fact that previous military service was being included in police service to accrue the required 20 years. In one example I've come across 10 years army with 12 years police. If I am in fact the only one who cares, then I'll wind my neck in here and now!!

       

       

      I agree with Dave. It has to be the fault of the force not the Royal mint. The way things are going you will get your long runner after 5 years as no one is going to stay much longer than that now.

      I don't think it'll ever get quite that bad, HOWEVER, I strongly suspect that the job will become more along the lines of something you do for a few years to put onto a CV, rather than a job for life. But this is a topic for another thread...............

    6. Ladies/Gents,

      It has emerged that due to an alleged mistake by the Royal Mint, officers with less than 20 years service (some considerably less than 20) have been issued with a Long Service Medal.It also seems that this may have in point of fact been going on for sometime. Further this mistake having been realised, the officers in question have been allowed to keep their awards.

      Personally I feel this is outrageous and belittles the efforts of officers who had to serve 20 years, in order to qualify.

      I would be interested to hear other peoples view on this?

       

    7. Thanks again Odin. I've had a little surf of dealers lists and interestingly there appears to be no difference in pricing between the QEII D.G & QEII Br Omn, examples. Despite the latter appearing to be rarer? I've also noticed a difference between the naming styles on the various Police LSGC's. I wonder when this change occurred and is it possible to roughly workout a date difference in issuing by the naming styles?

    8. Thanks Odin Mk3, so am I right in thinking that Police LSGC's with BR OMN REGINA F D, were awarded between 1952 & 1955,hence will be rarer that the DEI GRATIA version. Which I further assume is still being issued today (there must be thousands of this type, is it know how many of the earlier version were issued?). I also assume then that the earlier version would indicate that the Officer had served during the Second World War?

       

       

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