bigjarofwasps

What about the Latin wording? I've come across QEII D.G & QEII Br Omn, examples. What's the difference?

Thanks Odin, that's very interesting and something that I'll certainly look into!!!

It appears that 3 Officers died on duty in H Division in 1900

PC Frederick James Kidd (Died 26 December 1900, aged 23) Drowned in Shadwell dock apparently having accidentally fallen in while on night duty.

PC Ernest Thompson (Died 1 December 1900, aged 32) Fatally stabbed in the neck by a man he had moved on at a street disturbance at Whitechapel.

PC George Cooke (Died 26 June 1900, aged 47) Died from a ruptured blood vessel resulting from his shouting to wake a sleeping carman near Spitalfields Market.

The roll of honour began in 1900 and interestingly this appears to be on the only year H Division suffered any fatalities, two of which happened in the same month. Does anyone know of any other fatalities prior to 1900 that H Division sustained?

Has anyone ever researched these Officers?

Does anyone have any copies of newspaper reports that they could share with me? Do they contain any details about other Officers involved in the incidents?
 

​Whenever there's a ripping yard to a coin they'll always demand a premium. You only have to look at Gulf War sovereigns for evidence of that!!

http://www.academia.edu/1722281/Islamic_Coin_Hoards_and_the_Trade_Routes_How_Dirham_Reached_the_North

Found this rather interesting as well..........

http://www.cofiadurcahcymru.org.uk/arch/query/page.php?watprn=GAT2310&dbname=gat&tbname=core

Stumbled across this, which I thought might be of interest....

https://finds.org.uk/news/story/211

Seems such a shame that the naming doesn't include the Force, the Officer served in.

Stumbled across these articles whilst looking for something else, thought they might be of interest?

http://thornews.com/2015/02/14/found-islamic-coins-hidden-inside-viking-age-shield-boss/

http://www.history.com/news/islamic-ring-found-in-9th-century-viking-grave

One further question, I have if anyone can answer it for me? Is why doesn't the naming on the Police LSGC include the Force to the Officer served with?

Thanks Robin for sharing all this information and photographs with us, it is greatly appreciated!!!!!!

​H Division used to have three Section Houses, Mile End Road another on Denmark Street and a third which for some reason had housed Officers for G Division. These should not be confused with the actual stations, which also had section houses attached to them. Mile End Road I'm told mainly supplied Officers for Shadwell & Arbour Square stations, but I believe they could just have easily sent Officers to Leman & Commercial Street stations, if required.

​Yes it's the station house he lived in during his time in H Division (102 Mile End Road Old Town).

​Thanks Robin! Now you mention it I can see what you mean, the GV1R examples I come across do look slightly different in finish, but I'd always put that down to their age. I've also just noticed that the GV1R version was only issued for about 2 years and yet there seems to be no shortage of them, I would have thought they'd have been rarer. Where as, there must be literally millions of the E11R version? I wonder why they only started awarding the LSGC for police (regulars) in 1951, where as Specials examples go back to GVR? Does anyone know? Do any Edward VII examples exist I wonder?

Other than the obvious GV1R & E11R effigy versions, how many different types of Police LSGC are there or is that it?

Is there different Latin wording or anything like that?

PC James SAMPSON

Born on 26th January 1868 in Croydon Cambridgeshire, James William Sampson. Baptised 23rd Feb 1868.
1881 Living in Fordham Newmarket. Was an unmarried  leather dresser from Cambridgeshire prior to enlistment.

Had his medical examination on the 25th June 1889. His height given as 5` 10 and a half inches. Weight 11 stone 4 Lbs. Chest 35 and a half inches. Complexion fair. Eyes grey. Hair dark.
 

He joined the Met 15/07/89 as a PC in R Div Warrant No. 74634. Collar number being 191R. (possibly on independant patrol by August?)
1891 stationed/living at Eltham Police Station, High St, Eltham Police Station- R Division (5th April 1891)
1894 (29th September) posted to H Division. Collar number 469H. The reason for the move was Disciplinary.
1897 H Division for Diamond Jubilee.
1901 living at 102 Mile End Road Old Town with 11 other Constables and a Sergeant (census 31st March 1901) - predominantly support for Arbour Square and Shadwell stations.
1902 (8th March 1902) posted to V Division.
1902 V Division (married living at 20 Smeaton Road, Wandsworth 11th September 1902) -(address destroyed by WW2 bomb?)
1904 (11th August 1904) posted to L Division.
1911 living in Newington (L Division).

He was pensioned 20/07/14 as a PC in L. Discharge Register and it shows he got a Class 3 Conduct, which may account for him being moved around quite a bit and no promotion.

His medal entitlement is
1897 Jubilee PC H Div
1902 Coronation PC V Div
1911 Coronation PC L Division

Time served in each Division.
R Division 15th July 1889 - 29th Septemeber 1894.
H Division 29th September 1894 - 8th March 1902.
V Division 8th March 1902 - 11th August 1904.
L Division 11th August 1902 -20th July 1914.

Possibly died in 1936?

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Thanks Tom, that's certainly something for me to look into further!

​Thanks Tom, that's very interesting!! Am I right then in thinking that you'd have to be an active officer on Division to qualify and not still in training?

Ladies/Gents,

I recently bought a Jubilee/Coronation  medal group  to a Metropolitan Police Bobby. I haven't as yet obtained his service papers, but plan to do so in due course. Is anyone an authority on the 1897 Jubilee Medal? I was wondering just how long an Officer had to have been in service for in order to qualify for it. I believe you had to have been in 5 years to qualify for the 2012 version. Is the same true for the 1897 one or could an Officer have started his training he day before and qualified for it?

BJOW.

That's the example I was after Dante, thanks for sharing it with us!!!!

Can I ask which role you were with when you qualified for your reconstruction medals?

Tony, the injustice of it all.

I remember being regaled by my Staffie back in the day about how as a joke the company clerk had booked him on return flight a day before he'd have qualified for some UN gong for a tour in Africa (Uganda or Rwanda I forget which one). Now that's squaddie humour in the extreme for you lol.

Found these examples which I hope will assist. The first one shows the way medals used to be stamp engraved, the second example shows the R for replacement and the third is the modern laser engraving style.

I've also just noticed that they appear to be named 4143839 JR JACKS, which is incorrect, it should be number rank surname initials unit. This coupled with the laser naming, I'm happy these have been privately bought and named. They still have a tale to tell I'm sure, but from a collectors point of view they aren't worth a great deal.

Was this medal named? I wonder whether any attached arms qualified?

We wait with bait breath................ :-)