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Would be very interested in seeing the finished item Paul.
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Very nice!! Thanks very much for sharing it with us Mervyn!!
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This link makes interesting reading, with regards to how their currency system works and the legal implications for coin collectors.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/11/14/islamic-state-to-mint-gold-coins/
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I would assume that the 5 Dinar gold coin will be tiny, otherwise it runs the risk of containing a greater value in gold than it's face value.
I seem to recall some years ago a similar thing happened in India, when their small change coins were worth more in scrape than the face value of the coins themselves.
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I entirely agree Paul. Will be interesting to see if they ever come into existence.
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It appears that my theory is flawed, gents. As I'm informed that the OSM for Afghanistan will continue to be awarded until 31st December 2014, if not longer.
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With the conclusion of the Afghanistan Campaign (and I assume the end of the issue of the OSM Afghanistan), am I right in thinking that at this current time it's the first occasion in military history where no British soldier is deployed anywhere in the world were a medal bearing the Queen or Kings effigy is awarded?
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Posted Today, 14:47
Certainly in the US, we dig ourselves into a deep hole by listening to the clamor that begins with the first shot. That clamor is for a new campaign medal to be instantaneously designed, produced and awarded, preferably with appropriate devices for as-yet undesignated campaign periods. The decision to use an existing award that might be more appropriate is immediately denounced as a "slap in the face" to the troops (we spend a lot of time slapping people in the face). A a result, we have no comprehensive plan for any of our campaign medals.
We would do well to hold off creation of campaign awards until we know a bit more about the course of the action. This would be opposed to the instant gratification mode we are in, but it would provide sensible ways through situations exactly like this. But, it would also require that we make decisions that will annoy many.
In short, we'll never solve this.
Further to my above thread. I'm inclined to agree with JB. It certainly seems that the US have gone off half cocked with regards to awards of medals this early on in campaign. Perhaps there's a lot to be said for British reserve lol. Lets see how the campaign pans out before we decide what metallic recognition we give to our troops.....
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I seem to recall that Britain started operations against Libya on the 19th March 2011 and NATO took overall control on the 31st March. So that's a good 12 days of independent operations, but well short of the 30 days for a GSM, so I can see why one wasn't awarded. Unless ground troops are deployed and it becomes a full scale slog like the 2003-2011 affair was, I can't see an independent medal being awarded for Iraq this time and fear it'll be another naff NATO affair medal. If that should be the case and things get worse, perhaps the MOD will break the mould and allow two medals the NATO one for this phase and another medal (a decent one) for the second phase of ground troops supported by air cover, etc.
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New State Quarters currently being minted.
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13K coin found doesn't sell newspapers I suppose. Time will tell at the end of the day it's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
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Paul, we'll ALL be back there very soon, we can make it up to them then
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My understanding is that all the countries in question have to produce and issue it themselves to their armed forces on behalf of a grateful Iraqi nation? America is still mulling it over as for the rest of the coalition who knows, but I can't see it making an appearance any time soon, can you?
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Not heard of this one before, but I thought it might be of interest.....
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Iraq-Medal-of-Commitment/597508280357958?fref=ts
The Commitment Medal is to be issued by the Government of Iraq to honor the service of the United States and its Allies during the Liberation of Iraq.
Description – The Commitment Medal is a gold-coloured medal with enamel, 1 9/16 in diameter. On the front the relief of Iraq represents the area of operation. The lines symbolize the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, recalling Iraq’s title as “the land of two rivers.” The two hands superimposed over the relief symbolize the friendship between Iraq and her coalition allies. The star at the center top represents a vision of unity for the seven peoples of Iraq (Sunni, Shia, Kurd, Turkoman, Assyrian, Yazidi, Armenian) leading to a more secure, prosperous and free future for Iraqis. The inscription in both Arabic and English merge into a continuous circle symbolizing the closeness of Iraq and her allies.
On the reverse side the rayed disc symbolizes the sun, optimism and Iraq’s future of reconstruction and the establishment of the democratic way of life. The relief of Iraq represents the area of operation. The lines symbolize the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, recalling Iraq’s title as “the land of two rivers.” The crossed scimitars recall the partnership between Coalition Forces and Iraqi Security Forces essential to bringing a democratic way of life to Iraq. Gold is emblematic of honour and high achievement. It states JOINT COMMITMENT in both Arabic and English symbolizing the unity of effort between Iraq and her Coalition Partners. The palm trees along with the palm fronds on the front represent the sacrifices made by the Coalition Partners.
Ribbon – The ribbon is 1 3/8 inches in width; however it is it is mounted on the ribbon bar horizontally so that the horizontal top stripe is a 1/16 Chamois (67142) stripe with a 3/64 inch Scarlett (67111) stripe underneath it. A 1/16 inch White (67101) stripe on each side of a 1/16 Green (67129) follows. Below the bottom white stripe is a 3/64 Black (67138) stripe with a 1/16 Chamois (67142) stripe serving as the bottom stripe. A device of palm fronds representing the sacrifices of coalition forces, both Iraqi and Allied, is centered on the ribbon.
The colors represent the following. The Green is the traditional colour for Islam. Red honours the fighting courage for the pursuit of freedom. White denotes generosity and black exemplifies Islam’s success. The tan represents the sands of Mesopotamia.
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2nd May 1941
JOHN JOSEPH ROONEY, Private, 3711197, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on, Friday, 2nd May 1941. Age 26. Son of Elizabeth Rooney, of Dublin, Irish Republic.B Company killed by Iraqi shell fire in the opening bombardment of RAF Habbaniya
JOHN ADSHEAD, Private, 852852, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Friday, 2nd May 1941. Age 25. Son of George and Alice M. Adshead, of Bredbury, Cheshire. B Company killed by Iraqi shell fire in the opening bombardment of RAF Habbaniya
6th May 1941 Battle of Sin-El-Dhibban (D Coy frontal assault, B Coy flanking movement.
JOSEPH JOHN SHORT, Private, 3711233, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Tuesday, 6th May 1941. Age 24. Son of David T. Short and Tegwedd Short, of Tylorstown, Glamorgan. D Coy Having been wounded was being carried to safty when he hit for a seond time and killed.
NICHOLAS FITZPATRICK, Private, 3711898, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Tuesday, 6th May 1941. Age 24. Son of Nicholas and Mary Ann Fitzpatrick. D Coys lead scout and the first casualty of the attack on Sin-El-Dhibban, killed by small arms fire.
WILLIAM BUTLER, Private, 3710391, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Tuesday, 6th May 1941. Age 27. Son of Thomas Austin Butler and Catherine Butler, of Elswick, Newcastle-on-Tyne. Unknown
WILLIAM CAMPBELL, Private, 3710829, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster), who died on Tuesday, 6th May 1941. Age 28. D Coy Killed whilst manning a machine gun.
VINCENT ROGERS, Private, 3710363, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster), who died on Tuesday, 6th May 1941. D Coy Killed by small arms as he leapt for cover.
JOHN THOMPSON, Lieutenant, 182495, King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Tuesday, 6th May 1941. D Coy Killed by machine gun, which was fired at him, by Iraqi's that were surrounding.
7th May 1941
WILLIAM LEVELL, Private, 3712869, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Wednesday, 7th May 1941. Age 22. Son of Henry and Mary Levell, of Birkenhead. D company, Killed by shell fire, during the withdrawal.
20th May 1941
PATRICK HARRY FREKE EVANS, Major, 34763, King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on, Tuesday, 20th May 1941. Age 35. Son of Fisher Henry Freke Evans and of Marie Louise Evans Evans (nee Haslett), husband of Cecil Lechmere Evans, of Cambridge. Killed by a bomb whilst traveling from Habbinya to Fallujah.
22nd May 1941 Counter attack by Iraqi's at Fallujah. C & D Coys
WALTER FLEMING, Private, 3710998, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 32. Son of William Jonah and Bridget Fleming, of Skelwith Bridge, Lancashire.
JOHN DOUGLAS BENSON, Private, 3713018, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 22. Son of William and Isabella Margaret Benson, of Haverthwaite, Lancashire.
ERNEST ISAAC CLASSON, Lance Corporal, 3713047, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster), who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 22. Son of Charles Ephraim and Ellen Theresa Classon, of Moreton, Cheshire.
LESLIE GABBERT, Private, 3711135, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 24. Son of Benjamin and Eleanor Jane Gabbert, of Millom, Cumberland.
RICHARD JONES, Private, 3711483, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 24.
CLIFFORD WILSON, Private, 3710956, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 25. Son of John and Annie Wilson.
ROBERT WILSON, Private, 3713245, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 22. Son of Mr. and Mrs. R. J. Wilson, of Grange-over-Sands, Lancashire.
CHRISTOPHER JOHN HODGSON, Second Lieutenant, 117308, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 20. Son of Lt-Col. Christopher Lefroy Hodgson and Frances Dorothy Hodgson, of Windsor, Berkshire.
WILLIAM GEORGE JONES, Private, 3710964, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on, Thursday, 22nd May 1941.
GEORGE BILSBORROW, Private, 3712942, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 22. Son of James and Ada Bilsborrow, of Bootle, Lancashire.
FRANK VALLERY, Private, 3710475, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941.
JOHN LEO YATES, Private, 3856081, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 24. Son of James and Nellie Yates. of Chorley, Lancashire.
WILLIAM KIRBY, Lance Corporal, 3713119, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941.
GEORGE ALFRED OWEN, Private, 4799947, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 28. Son of George Edward and Florence Gertrude Mary Owen, of Louth, Lincolnshire. Shot in the head, whilst covering his companys withdrawal with a Bren gun. He fought it out alone refusing to withdraw. (Pte Owen appears to have been very handy with his Bren gun during the campaign and has already earned a Mention in Dispatches, for his actions with it during the battle of Sin-El-Dhibban (during which he was wounded).
JOHN QUINN, Lance Corporal, 3713463, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster), who died on, Thursday, 22nd May 1941.
JOHN MAGUIRE, Warrant Officer Class II, 3710261, C.S.M. 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 26.
WILLIAM SMITH, Private, 3711595, King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 23.
JOHN McNULTY, Private, 3446351, 1st Bn., King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) who died on Thursday, 22nd May 1941. Age 22.
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Capt Weir was awarded his MC for covering the withdrawal of his company with a Bren gun, although wounded until he collapsed, during the battle of Sin-El-Dhibban 6th May 1941.
CSM Walker was awarded his DCM, for taking command of his company, when his officer had to take command of the battalion following the CO being wounded 21st May 1941.
Pte McDermott awarded his MM for carrying ammunition up to the mortar detachment, although wounded, during battle of Sin-El-Dhibban 6th May 1941.
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Many thanks Owain, that's cracking, thanks for taking the time to reply to my thread.
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Many thanks Peter, such a shame that so little is known about this campaign!!
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Many thanks Peter, I thought that might be the case. I've checked various sources since posting this thread and can find no evidence of the British having any armour in Iraq, except for the RAF armoured cars. I assume that this picture is from North Africa?
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Full photo and text....
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Isis to mint own Islamic dinar coins in gold, silver and copper
in Coins & Commemorative Medallions
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"The ISIS proposed currency will have seven coins called Dinars – two gold, three silver and two copper. The largest value coin will be the five dinar which will contain 21.25g of gold (valued at £525.30 at the time of writing). The lowest value coin will be a 10g copper coin worth about five pence."
5 dinar gold coin worth £525? Can't see there being to many of them in circulation and they will seem to be of little use? What would you use them for? I imagine a packet of cigarettes costs around 5 dinar and not £500!!! Unless of course their going to completely ignore Western gold prices. If a 5 dinar coin will come into circulation with a 5 dinar value, they'll soon disappear!!!