bigjarofwasps

Hi Guys,

I`m trying to do some research into the RAMC`s role in this battle. To that end, has anyone got any evidence to suggest that any elements of the 181 Air Landing Ambulance got as far as Arnhem? I know that the main element set up a dressing station in Wolfheze.

Also can anyone recommend any books about the RAMC at Arnhem, other than Arnhem Doctor, as I`ve read that one.

Gordon.

Obtained this information from a very reliable source, which I thought I should share....

Theoretically service in Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey after the armistance would not qualify as these were armies of occupation however there was fighing in Anatolia between primarily Indian troops (with British officers) in Turkey in 1919-20 so these soldiers may have qualified for a WW1 pair if they hadnt already. So soldiers in Istanbul may not have qualified but soldiers in Anatolia may have.

Futher complications come from the British forces in Transcaucasia (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia) as Azerbaijan in particular was under threat of Bolshevik attack and on one occasion at least that I know of an Indian Cavalry regiment actually fought an action against the Bolsheviks in Azerbaijan. "Russia" up to July 1920 was a qualifying theatre for the BWM and VM so potentially soldiers in Azerbaijan qualified but soldiers in Armenia which does not border Russia did not.

Its all quite theoretical and hard to tell either way as almost all of the soldiers who served in the Balkans and Black Sea 1918-19 had already qualified for a WW1 pair elsewhere.

The BAB&BS was considered "warlike" enough that New Years/Kings BDay MC's and MSM's were awarded for service there so I believe in most cases it was a qualifying theatre for WW1 pairs.

Part of a doc found on the web,

According to Sachar there were 2,394 Jewish casualties, 620 British and 3,764 Arabs by August of 1939, when the revolt was essentially over.

No real breakdown of the casualities though, the British figures contain officials serving there at the time too i would imagine.

Regards Eddie

620!!!!! Thats more than double the current Iraq & Afghanistan combined, outragous that theres no offical roll of honour available!!!!

Out standing thanks!!!!!!!

Only one I can think of:

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Databases/Palestine/index.html

Thanks Leigh :cheers:This covers the 1945-48 period, with 914 casualties!!!

I would be very interested to know how many there was during the 1936-39 period. Can anyone assist?

Nope........

Thats good then, it means that theres more than on book on this topic. Once I knew what I was looking for I managed to track down a copy of the above book for a fiver! So if you happen to remember the topic of your book, I can keep an eye out for that one to.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to where I might be able to ascertain casualty figures for these two campaigns? I`ve surfed the net, but can`t seem to find anything relevant.

Leigh is this by chance the book in question?

Good question.......

At first I thought Marcos didn`t wear glasses but then I found this picture.

Sorry will have to pass on this one, can anyone else assist?

Lieutenant Colonel Sir Ernest Edward "Weary" Dunlop, AC, CMG, OBE

Was a Doctor who was captured by the Japanese. His conduct during his time as a POW made him a national hero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Dunlop

A bar now that would be naff, but it wouldn`t surprise me in the least!!!!!

I can't remember the name of the book.......I have one on this period, I can picture it but can't remember the title ("Palestine" & "Mandate" unsurprisingly feature I think). As & when I find it, you can have it free of charge, but don't hold your breath.

Many thanks Leigh, that would be great!!!! But whilst I`m holding my breath, if you could remember the title, I can start tracking down a copy.

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me any books titles covering this campaign?

A basic history of the campaign would be good or a forgotten voices sort of thing would be most interesting!!

:cheers:

Hi Guys,

Am curious has anyone heard any rumours as to whether theres likley to be a diamond jubilee medal?

:whistle:

Hunyadi, what an interesting story!!!

I do know that Gold Sovereigns where used during the first Gulf war & Krugerrands, during the second. I`m also aware that Krugerrands where used the CIA, etc during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, for the same purpose so I`m assuming that the `bags of gold` would contain either or both of these?

Read an artilce in the Express, about this thought it might be of interest.

Below are a few other links, I`ve since found. However, none of the sources disclose what the nature of the `bags of gold` are, one can only assume its coinage, but what coinage is anyones guess? Unless someone out there can shine more light on this.......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1228480/Army-tells-soldiers-fighting-Afghanistan-buy-Taliban-bags-gold.html

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/2353-anglo-american-strategy-in-afghanistan-pay-off-insurgents-with-bags-of-gold

A very interesting article.

I recall speaking with a gentleman who joined the British Army at 12 to march off to Egypt. He was reported as being under age by his mother and returned to her under guard similar to the fellow in your story. He did finally join the army and fought in the Boer War as well as in the Great War. At the tme we spoke I was a young man and saw no need to record the details or his name, now that important information is lost forever. Too late smart, too soon old!

Thanks for posting this interesting story, I hope others can add to it.

Regards

Brian

Brian, how many of us have stories like that. Why didn`t we ask more questions of Grandad, etc. I often wonder should I make a record, will my grand kids be interested, in what I did "during the war"

Can`t find the Sun article, but heres the same one in the Telegraph.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/6472805/Boy-12-was-youngest-British-soldier-in-First-World-War.html

Hi Guys,

Did anyone else see the article in the Sun about the 12 year old soldier who alledgedly served in the Great War. Yeh I know its the Sun, so take everything with a pinch of salt. My main concern is, where has this guy been all these years, to just come to light now? Anyone ever heard of him before?

Interesting currently on Sky, Tony Robinson has a series about the Romans, today episode was about Julius Caesar. Its well documented about his liaisons, with the young Cleopatra. One of the experts passed comment on the images on coins & statues of her, basically it appears that the `myth` if thats the right word about her beauty, was in fact supposed to represent her charm, which is what captivated the guys. Now in my mind beauty & charm would have to come as a full package ?

Not really my thing, but an interesting thread none the less.

I can only conclude that...

"In his Pensées, philosopher Blaise Pascal contends that Cleopatra's classically beautiful profile changed world history: "Cleopatra's nose, had it been shorter, the whole face of the world would have been changed"

Must be the first recorded case of beer goggles? :cheers:

Service honours UK Iraq personnel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8295868.stm

According to British Battles and medals, service in Serbia also counted from 1918-1919 the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.

There was (is) a HUGE thread about the in and outs of the BWM award ( e.g. given for service in India, but not with a victory medal therewith, Iraq etc. etc.)....at the Great War Forum.

Cheers mate, thats very interesting.

Have tried to log onto the Great War Forum, but have been unable to do so?

If you can help, I`d very much like to know more about the Serbia 1918-19 aspect.

Also whats the score with Iraq, was that covered by the BWM/Victory medal post 1918, but before the GSM came into existance....

Hi Guys,

I`d like to try and ascertain for what the British War Medal(s) where issued for post world war, during the 1919-1920 period other than mine clearance and Russia?

Also did soldiers, who deployed to France during this period as the army of occupation and or battlefield clearance quality for the BWM & Victory medals?

What was the latest date for issue of these medals & how long did a soldier have to serve in order to qualify?

Gordon.

A typical Medal Roll entry - alas though there was another two battalions to show, but I had to cut the file right back to attach it here.

Cheers guys, thats a great help.

If I could take this one stage further. I`d like to try and ascertain for what the British War Medal was issued for 1919-1920 other than mine clearance and Russia?

Also did soldiers, who deployed to France during this period as the army of occupation and or battlefield clearance quality for the BWM & Victory medals?