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Would be interested to learn, what happened in 1931, that led to the change from crowned to uncrowned effigy?
Also why ever since Special medals have been uncrowned?
Can we also expect to see the same uncrowned effigy on the next generation of SCLSM’s?
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As the eternal wait goes on, conjuncture and speculation about when any new medals with the Kings effigy on will appear, abound.
Talk of existing stocks to be exhausted first , before new ones will be minted.
The Royal Mint not taking any new orders.
One could be forgiven, for thinking it’s all part of a great master plan….
Will the new medals have a crowned or uncrowned effigy?
Could we in fact see both, depending on which service the recipient is from, as with previous LSGC’s?
Could we see recipients between 8th Sept and 6th May uncrowned, and crowned there after??
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Government 'considering options' for coronation medal…..
https://www.forces.net/royals/government-considering-options-coronation-medal
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Thought this might be of interest?
Next generation of King Charles coins by the Royal Mint, bearing a crowned effigy.
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No design or ribbon has yet surfaced re this new medal, but the criteria certainly makes interesting reading.
In particular section 15 ( in relation to the Elizabeth Cross)..
No order of wear included, in the criteria. But section 15 suggests that it may not in fact be a medal that will be worn alongside other campaign medals, etc?
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On 23/03/2023 at 19:40, ashley58 said:
I thought that in a recent interview it was stated the Charles (being eco friendly etc) wanted all existing stocks (of medals+) to be used before new ones were to be struck?
This has certainly been mooted about. But how true it is, I cannot say.But what is apparent, is that this certainly isn’t the case with regards, to the military which are set to rebadge next month.
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Nottinghamshire are certainly, blazing a trail!
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2 hours ago, Megan said:
There were some other awards (all in the Royal Victorian Order, which as you probably know, is in the gift of the Monarch rather than going through the political Honours system): The Queen's Dresser, Angela Kelly, becomes a Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, as does her page Paul Whybrew and her groom Terence Pendry.
Aircrew involved in the flight of Her Majesty's corpse from Scotland to London were also included, and a couple of Ladies in Waiting were made Dame Commanders of the Royal Victorian Order as well.
The full list is here: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/64008/supplement/D1
Thanks Megan 👍.Will be interesting to see whether the RVM’s bear the late Queen’s effigy and cypher, or the King’s.
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On 23/03/2023 at 19:40, ashley58 said:
I thought that in a recent interview it was stated the Charles (being eco friendly etc) wanted all existing stocks (of medals+) to be used before new ones were to be struck?
Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, seem to have opted for a more simpler design.
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34 minutes ago, I_♥_Police said:
I personally don't know of any other force that has given out new badges with the new crown yet other than this? I wonder if Notts has issued new cap badges and helmet plates yet?
Not sure of any other U.K. forces, but Canada appear to have started to introduce new badges as well.
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New cypher for Nottinghamshire Constabulary.
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3 hours ago, dpk said:
Just for info and reference, saw on the OMRS site that naming format on military medals has been changed as follows:
- Old format- military number, rank, initials, surname, regiment or unit
- New format- rank, initials, surname, regiment or unit, military number.
- Has apparently been in place for a few years.
Of interest only but maybe a similar change will flow on to police medal naming??
Oh dear Lord, I hope not 😱.
The only change to the naming of police medals, would be to include the force they served with. Really can’t understand why this hasn’t been in place since day one, if I’m honest.
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2 hours ago, I_♥_Police said:
great post. Thank you. Do you have any idea why the DS is on the medal as 'PS (CID)'. I don't understand this unless its historical or a strange regional variation as I have literally never seen this in the job at all, written down or spoken about. Very strange terminology.
The story goes, that this medal was issued in the 1950’s, the recipient was a female uniformed officer, who was attached to C.I.D, in an admin role.
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Some interesting LSGC’s engraved with the prefix Detective.
The first is to a MDP senior officer issued in the 1990’s.
The second is to a DC issued in 2016.
The last to a female Officer who was attached to CID in the Met during the 1950’s.
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On 03/03/2023 at 09:44, Dave Wilkinson said:
The King has apparently made it known that stocks (of anything?) are not to be destroyed simply because they bear the image of the late Queen or her Cipher. They are all to be used prior to any new versions are produced bearing his image etc. He's told Royal Mail that they must use all their stocks of old issue EIIR stamps before commencing to use those showing his image.
It seems obvious that this also applies to medals.
"King’s Effigy on medals, to be issued imminently". This thread was started on 4th October 2022. I don't think so any time soon!
My understanding, was that any “stocks” of police LSGC’s held were limited, and surely exhausted by now?This article however, may go someway to explain the delays in the production of any new medals.
I appreciate that it’s a few months old now, and doesn’t explain why the production of coins by the Royal Mint was so prompt and apparently straight forward.
But it is still worth a read.
https://amp.9news.com.au/article/fe9e5791-1ea6-418d-a5ce-108f26760444
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2 hours ago, Nick said:
In coming years I suspect that annual figure is going to drop significantly.
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Saw this on another platform, thought it might be of interest?
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2023-02-20.148519.h&s=medal#g148519.q0
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On 18/02/2023 at 17:03, Zulu_00 said:
Rubbish design. Looks like something I would have knocked out in primary school during art time.
Surely your not referring to this little belter?
😂😂😂😂
https://www.awardmedals.com/commemorative-king-s-coronation-medal.html
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On 21/02/2023 at 16:01, Zulu_00 said:
Newly issued CD with an EIIR effigy.
This medal was posted on social media, it had been sent to a medal mounting company.
I thought it might be interesting for the following reasons……
The recipient is from CNC.
He qualified for his medal in December, and has recently been awarded it prior to him retiring.
Assuming that the correct criteria has been adhered to, and the application was made to the Royal Mint on or after the qualification date.
This would appear to be clear evidence of (a) how quickly the RM can turn around medals when they want to,
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(b) their currently still using the E11R effigy.
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Saw this on another internet platform, thought it might be of interest?
Figures from the Royal Mint annual reports that give an idea of how many Police LSGCs for UK orders were produced each year. Going through the various orders detailed in the online MINT series files might allow the figures to be extended to about 1991:
1952: 17,002
1953: 4802
1954: 3801
1955: 7975 Combined figure for Police and Fire Brigade LSGCs
1956: 1500
1957: 3318
1958: 3451 Combined figure for Police and Fire Brigade LSGCs
1959: 4916
1960: 2000
1961: 2000
1962: 2001
1963: 1000
1964: 0
1965: Medal not listed - unclear if an oversight, or none produced
1966: Medal not listed - unclear if an oversight, or none produced
1967: 1045
1968: 3268
1969: 5050
1970: 5484
Q1 1971: 886 Reports change from covering calendar year to financial year (01 April-31 March)
1971-72: 3879
1972-73: 4730
1973-74: 2655
1974-75: 4914
1975-76: 2087
1976-77: 3336If the combined Police and Fire numbers for 1955 and 1958 are evenly split that makes roughly 85,000 medals from inception to early 1977. If the issue figure of, say, 3000 medals per year has continued in the 46 years since, that would make for another 138,000 Police LSGCs, almost all of which would be of the rhodium plated variety.
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Saw this on another forum, thought it might be of interest?
“Quality control of the Llantrisant Mint's medal naming also seems to have been patchy - there are lists of corrections of increasing length. The Metropolitan Police also seem to have been especially fussy about the standard of appearance of their medals - the Mint's Medal room apparently became so dispirited by the constant complaints that staff started avoiding working on Police medals altogether, which only added to delays!”
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Nazi gold hoard unearthed: 217 coins found with swastika seal were buried underneath a tree during last days of World War II.
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The Law - Newspaper of the Essex Police" - July 1978 page 11
'Medals Muddle’
Remarks made in the last issue of The Law about the "monumental indifference" displayed over the issue of long service medals have achieved the ultimate in response, a question in The House.
On July 5th, Sir Bernard Braine, Member for South East Essex, asked the Secretary of State, to what steps he is taking to overcome the delays in issuing long service medals to police officers, some of whom at the present rate of issue will have retired before they receive their medals."
Dr Shirley Summerskill, answering, said, "Every effort will be made to clear as soon as possible the backlog in the distribution of medals. Extra staff have been provided for this purpose,"
It seems that the Royal Mint have been working on a method of lacquering the medals to prevent tarnishing and this has caused delay.'
Interesting to learn, that the delays in the issuing of Police LSGC’s isn’t a new phenomenon, and has in fact been ongoing for decades!!0
Delays in the issuing of Police LSGC’s
in Great Britain: Mervyn Mitton's British & Colonial Police Forces
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Re Coronation Medal, I suspect this will include an effigy of the new Queen.
With regards to LSGC’s, it will be interesting to see, if all now bear a crowned or uncrowned effigy?
Perhaps the plan all along has been to wait until the crowned effigy has confirmed/released, before any new medals were struck?
This would certainly account for the current delay?