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7 hours ago, Graf said:
Nice photos
Here’s another 👍
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Apparently, the new clasp Global Operations is now available, on miniature medal anyway.
Unaware of any formal criteria, but a point of note is the continued use of the Queen’s effigy.
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21 minutes ago, Megan said:
Soldier magazie (July issue) reoirts that this award will be distrubuted 'by the end of the summer'... the veteran's section of the armed forces website says Autumn 2023 but they are accepting applications now. The form is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/applying-for-medals
It will be called the Nuclear Test Veterans Commemorative Medal. Still no indication of what the thing looks like!
MOD website, says this.Re the design, the saga re which effigy is to be used, still rumbles on some 10 months after the Queen’s passing.
New Border Force LSGC has also been knocked back till early next year for the same reason, I understand.
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Thought this might be of interest?
Cadet Forces LSGC Medal awarded 31st May 2023.
Recipient having qualified on the 29th November 2022.
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Confirmation received that the, MOD are still yet to begin producing any King’s effigy medals.
Apparently there is already a backlog of 1500 VRSM’s. I would suspect that the regular services, must be in a similar situation by now, if not worse?
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Can anyone recommend any books on this subject?
I’ve scoured the internet, but have been unable to find any books, covering this period?
Have any books on the subject, even ever been written……..
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Thought this chap’s story might be of interest?
George PAYNE
Born - Marylebone London
Attested into the 90th Regiment, Westminister 13th October 1854 aged 17 years 6 months. Regimental number 3590
Trade - shoemaker
Height 5` 6"
Complexion Fresh
Eyes Blue
Hair Brown
Intended address upon discharge 8 Archbishop Place, Somers Road, Brixton, London. Trade shoemaker.
Discharged Colchester as 1520 Private 96th Regiment aged 39 years and one month on the 14th May 1875.
Served 21 years and 17 days of which 15 years 5 months overseas -
Malta 2 months
Crimea 10 months
India 14 years 5 months
Conduct described as very good, he had four good conduct badges
Had 5 entries in the regimental defaults book and was tried by court martial once.
Has the Indian Mutiny medal with clasp Defence of Lucknow.
Statement of service -
Attested as Private 90th Regt - 13th October 1854 to 12th April 1855
Private- 13th April 1854 to 12th April 1855
Absent 27th April to 2nd May 1856. Tried by Regimental Court Martial 5th May 1856 and sentenced to 28 days. Imprisoned 5th May to 11th May. Remainder of sentence commuted, in conscience of youth and previous good conduct and for having kept safe the medal and clasp of a driver of the Royal Artillery. (It is also documented that on the 20th September 1855 the 90th presented 10 medals to each company, perhaps the Artillery did the same and that this medal "kept safe" was one of those?
There is no way of knowing the exact dates PAYNE served on the Crimea (but we know he served there for 10 months and the Regiment left in June 1856. I'm also aware of a draft of 54 men who joined the Regt on 3rd October 1855, as PAYNE didn't qualify for the Crimea Medal which had a cut off date of the 9th September 1855, I suspect he was one of these 54). This would suggest he was on Malta August/September time?
The following passage might shine some light on his court martial.
In the beginning of April 1856, peace was proclaimed and soldiers of the allied and Russian armies fraternized cordially, visiting each other's camps and meeting at the races and other entertainments which were set on foot. General LUDERS the Russian Commander in Chief inspected the whole British army on the 17th after which preparations were made for the evacuation of the Crimea. In June the 90th 27 officers and 757 non commissioned officers and men embarked on board HMS Queen which was towed by the Terrible as far as Constantinople whence she proceeded under sail for England. The regiment landed in Portsmouth in the end of July.
Private 12th May 1856 to 5th Sept 1865
Transferred to the 96th Regiment 1st August 1869 Regimental number 1520.
Private 1st August 1869 to 14th May 1875
The 90th embarked for India in February 1857 to help suppress the Indian Rebellion.It took part in the relief of Lucknow in November 1857, an action which saw members of the regiment awarded six Victoria Crosses. The regiment embarked for home in September 1869. As PAYNE transfers to the 96th in August 1869, this would suggest that he wanted to remain in India, hence his change in Regiment. The 96th remained in India until 1875.
Provenance: Spink & Son Ltd, London Medal Auctioneer & Dealer, 31st March, 1993.
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On 23/06/2023 at 13:26, Paul463 said:
The medal at the end is the Cadet Forces Medal, each clasp has the Queens crown. I'm not sure you can stick a Kings crown clasp on to this medal? Thoughts welcome.
Interesting concept. Necessity would suggest that, clasps qualified for after the 8th September 2022, will have a King’s crown on? Will certainly be interesting to see what happens….On 23/06/2023 at 13:26, Paul463 said:The medal at the end is the Cadet Forces Medal, each clasp has the Queens crown. I'm not sure you can stick a Kings crown clasp on to this medal? Thoughts welcome.
Although not technically a change of crown. Thought this example might be of interest?
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Here’s an interesting example -
Amanda Blakeman, first ever female Chief Constable in the history of North Wales Police, and first ever Welsh Constabulary recipient of the King’s Police Medal. Having only taken over as Chief from Karl Foulkes on the 31st October 2022.
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Always great to see Constables, being recognised for sterling work, several of them on this list 👍.
But well done to everyone who has been honoured.
I just hope they get a wriggle on presenting them with there medals.
The New Years Honours recipients are still yet to be presented with theirs.
The most recent information (from May), was that no medals bearing the King’s effigy have been struck yet!0 -
19 minutes ago, I_♥_Police said:
Out of interest, does anyone know the correct way around to wearing them? For example if you had a 2022 Jubilee medal and (soon) a Kings Coronation medal, which ribbon goes nearest your heart and which nearest your shoulder?
Platinum Jubilee nearest your heart, Coronation Medal nearest your shoulder.
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Certainly looks like Thomas W Atkinson, to me. There is definitely a full stop between his initial and surname.
Don’t think 23 is too young to have been a police officer.
Also his higher collar number suggests he is younger in service than the other two officers?0 -
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Bit of tinkering, will be interesting to see if I’m anywhere near the mark?
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Useful link, to keep update with announcements…
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3 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:
Not wishing to undermine the honour bestowed upon these individuals, but I wonder whether the obviously very large stock held, of these EIIR headed medals, had any bearing upon the decision to make these awards.
A good opportunity to get rid of the stock, which presumably would otherwise be "binned".
Keep an eye on the auction sites!
Dave.
😂😂 Dave, you’re such a sceptic😂😂
But now, you’ve come to mention it……..
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His Majesty The King has personally honoured the sailors and Royal Marines involved in the funeral of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
At Windsor Castle today, 142 men and women of all ranks and branches had the Royal Victorian Order or the Royal Victorian Medal (silver) presented to them by HM The King.
It comes after their role drawing the State Gun Carriage which carried Her late Majesty’s coffin and for their services at the state funeral of Queen Elizabeth II last September.
Read more: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2023/may/30/230530-honours
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54 minutes ago, Dave Wilkinson said:
The photo appears to be taken in, at a guess, Lancashire. Its certainly not taken in London. The bobby in the foreground is wearing a white metal helmet plate which is not star shaped. The Met. did not wear white metal helmet badges. The badge he is wearing on his arm is a first aid qualification badge, which the Met. Police did not wear. The other obvious clue is that there is no duty armlet on either sleeve. A Met. man of that period would not be seen on duty without his armlet.
Dave.
Thanks Dave, I had my doubts about it being the Met as well. Never seen one wearing a badge like that. Now you’ve pointed out the other bits, that I completely overlooked it’s obvious. Watched the film again and managed to get a slightly better shot of the helmet plate.
Thanks for identifying the badge as well 👍
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Anyone able to identify what this badge is?
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A little foot note to this thread…..
The officer who inadvertently created this situation had 12 years military service and 8 years police service. Creating the “20 years” for their LSGC.
Some 5 years later (now with 13 years service), they got into a bit of bother, which resulted in them being dismissed from the force.
No idea whether they wear their LSGC, or indeed whether they’d want to. But the fact remains that somewhere out there, there is an LSGC that was issued 7 years too early.
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Thought this might be of interest?
All these recipients joined in 2002, but qualified for their LSGC’s pre 8th September 2022, so have been awarded a E11R version.
Long Service & Good Conduct - Kathryn joined D&C in 2002 on response, moving to the Child Protection Team and then SODAIT dealing with serious assaults and domestic violence. She is a highly regarded investigator & skilled Detective.
Long Service & Good Conduct - Steve joined in Aug 2002 on Response in Exeter. In 2006 he moved to the Dog Section & was allocated Police Dog Razor who was as sharp as his name suggests! Congratulations on 20yrs service.
Long Service & Good Conduct - James joined D&C in March 2002 at Teignmouth as a response officer. He created the Torbay Police football charity team raising over £30,000 for local charities.
Long Service & Good Conduct - Graham joined A&S in 2002, transferring to D&C in 2008 on Response at Plymouth. He is now the Sector Insp & is known for his energy, flexibility, resilience & sense of humour.
All these medals were presented in Feb & March 2023. Of particular note, is the fact that “Steve” qualified for his LSGC in August 2022, so had his medal presented in a very short space of time. Which proves it can be done….
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Saw this on Twitter, thought it might be of interest, as this chap must, surely form part of the last E11R effigy recipients?
Assuming there is a formal transition as of the 8th September 22, to a new King’s effigy?
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How common it is, I can’t say.
But I can confirm it is possible to have the Burma Star and France & Germany Star. I had a relative (who was in the army) with just such a group. I found it fascinating that he had fought both the Japanese and the Germans, during the war.
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New General Service Medal….
in Great Britain: Orders, Gallantry, Campaign Medals
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Not the best image granted.
Hope to find a better one soon!!