Claudio

Thanks Dave, for your very precious inputs... in that case there's a very strong possibility that the bar really is of Arthur Graf von Normann-Ehrenfels! That's great! ... even that elusive Schaumburg-Lippe cross für Treue Dienste, which is quite a very sparsely awarded cross also because of the small size of the principality:

Fürst Adolph erneuerte am 18. November 1914 das von Fürst Adolph Georg im Jahre 1870 gestiftete Kreuz „zur Anerkennung der Verdienste, welche sich“ seine „Mitkämpfer im Kriege erwerben“. Bestimmt war es vor allem für Offiziere und Mannschaften des vom Fürsten geführten Husaren-Regiments Nr. 14, des Jäger-Bataillons Nr. 7 und des Husaren-Regimentes Nr. 7, außerdem für in anderen Einheiten stehende Landeskinder. An Nichtkämpfer konnte es am „weißen“ Bande verliehen werden, fürstliche Personen scheinen es zudem als Steckkreuz erhalten zu haben. Am Band für Kämpfer erfolgten 10.116, am Band für Nichtkämpfer 281 Verleihungen. An fürstliche Personen wurden 36 Steckkreuze ausgegeben.

Literatur: Volle, Henning. Stiftungen und Erneuerungen von deutschen Orden und Ehrenzeichen im Ersten Weltkrieg. Schriftenreihe der Deutschen Gesellschaft für Ordenskunde e. V. (DGO), Konstanz am Bodensee 2014. Vgl. S. 56.

ciao,

C

Thanks for your replies!

Actually I was asking because there's a medal and ribbon bar on sale that came with that name, but there are no documents that go with this set.

Strangely there is a Prussian LS award 25 for officers with that Wurttembergian LS ribbon and not the blue one... very odd, combination, if I must say. Disturbing also, at least for me, that the medals there aren't horizontally on the same position (height). I'd love to see the back, but there're no pictures of it on the seller's website.

C

Dear forumites,

I am looking for information about the above mentioned presumably wurttembergian officer who served before and during  WWI and survived the great war until the 30-ies maybe later. Any info about his date of birth/death and awarded orders or medals are very appreciated. He got a Württembergian Friedrichsorden 1th class with swords and a LS Prussian cross for 25 years.

Maybe is this the guy : Graf ARTHUR Karl Konstantin August Edwin Lebrecht von Normann-Ehrenfels

Thank you very much in advance for your inputs and comments.

Best regards,

C

On ‎23‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 16:35, Schießplatzmeister said:

Hello all,

I see nothing to immediately question the authenticity of this ribbon bar.  I believe that it is not for a Prussian recipient necessarily, but possibly for a Princely recipient (Prince of Hohenzollern?).  But it could also have been for a high-ranking general officer as all of the star devices have swords.  I believe that this ribbon bar does not represent all of the awards of the recipient, but was an abbreviated version for wear.  An interesting piece!

Best regards, 

That's correct... such devices of high classes orders they were worn by regnant nobility, like this gentleman: Georg Prinz von Sachsen-Meiningen . In this case I would tip on a family member of the Catholic Southern Branch of the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, who knows? It would be great to find a picture of that very ribbon bar being worn.

C

18 minutes ago, Claudius said:

Thoughts on ribbon #2? 

 

Is this the Bav. Free-City Jubilee 2nd Infantry 1932 medal?

it's almost surely the Brunswick's war merit cross 2nd class https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsverdienstkreuz_(Braunschweig)

Cheers,

C

On ‎05‎/‎08‎/‎2018 at 17:36, P.F. said:

Looks like a nice genuine Godet made bar. Devices and ribbons are good with consistent wear. Precedence of ribbons is also correct for a post Anschluss made bar.

I don't anything particular that disturbs me... the pin set up and the color of the covering fabric on the back of the bar indicates that this could well be a Godet made one. The only thing that put me estetically a bit off, is the different type of swords devices (smaller) put on the Austrian WWI commemorative, but this is acceptable because also on the full sized ribbon of this medal the swords were slightly different, Austrian type. Moreover is totally ok that the Hungarian and Bulgarian WWI ribbons, although allied of Germany in WWII, are in the end of the bar as they should. The Austrian ribbon is correctly placed after the FEK (Hindenburg) as after 1938 (Anschluss) Austrian decorations were considered "German"... with some exception.

Ciao,

C

2 hours ago, P.F. said:

I believe that medal bar belonged to his son, Dr. Hans Georg von Mackensen.

That is correct... the thread was mine.  I'd love to have also his father's bar! GFM and PLM Träger mi Eichelaub!!!!

Cheers,

C

On ‎25‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 17:52, sftrooper86 said:

WMC

Here's the description of the medals on the last Bavarian Medical bar:

• Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. 1914 am Nichtkämpferband (OEK 1909); E gs/S;

• Bayern König Ludwig-Kreuz 1916 (OEK 458), Br gs;

• Preußen, Rote Kreuz Medaille 2.Klasse 1898-1921 (OEK 1871), S;

• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz für Kriegsteilnehmer (OEK  

  3803/2), E br;

• Bayern, Verdienstkreuz für freiwillige Krankenpfleger in Silber (OEK 502), S;

• Preußen, Rote Kreuz Medaille 3.Klasse 1917-1921 (OEK 1872/2), KM vg;

• Freistaat Bayern 1922-1934, DA BRK für 20-jährige ersprießliche Dienstleistung ab 1922 (ohne OEK-Nr.), Br;

•  Deutsches Reich 1871-1918, Südwest-Afrika Denkmünze für Nichtkämpfer 1907 (OEK 3166), St;

• Deutsches Reich 1933-1945, Ehrenzeichen des Deutschen Roten Kreuzes 1937-1939, Kreuz 2. Klasse (OEK 3555), Br vg.

cheers,

C

Hi!

The fact that the FAM “am Friedensband” is, was already clear to me (see also here as example). The war ribbon was yellow with two narrow light blue stripes on the sides. I already also mentioned that Sedlatzek put the clasp on the wrong medal. Furthermore is better to have a bar with provenience of a medals and orders vendor as nothing at all.

cheers,

C

Furthermore there’s a book about him (Kaltenegger’s, a quite renowned and acclaimed writer of books on the subject of the German mountain troops) where it is explained and confirms that von Schlebrügge got his Silesian Eagles and Baltic cross.

Also in the 2nd part of the book “Die Ritterkreuzträger der Gebirgsjäger L-Z” there’s the confirmation of his orders, also a quite elusive description of House Order of Saxon State.

Von Schlebrügge was in the 12th Thuringian Ussar (Husar) Regiment, therefore I can assume that, since he got the EKs first and second class, he would have very likely almost automatically been awarded with the White Falcon Order as a cavalry officer. I suspect that this was a very late 1918 bestowal and therefore it could explain the absence of it in the rolls of the Grandduchy (Grossherzogtum) of Saxony-Weimar’s White Falcon Order.

That’s of course my fairly educated and safe assumption. 

BR

C

Dear foumites!

These are the orders and medals of Oberst  von Schlebrügge; as you can see there’s a White Falcon RK 2 Kl with swords. Also he was decorated with both classes of the Silesian Eagle and the Baltic cross (see narrow white ribbon with blue stripes after the Silesian Eagle). 

Back of the bar... also notice the Godet produced Kriegsteilnehmer Ehrenkreuz (Hindenburg cross without swords for non combatants).

also notice on the front the clasps “Weltkrieg 1914-18” was put on the wrong ribbon/medal... it should be on the Saxon FAM.

C

Dear forumites,

I'd like to introduce to you this very rare bar of a, very likely, administrative or functionary like officer of the Wehrmacht with 40 years of service. I'm afraid that this combination is not sufficient for an attribution to the original wearer, despite the quite unique combination of the decorations on the bar. In fact only 13'000 EK2 1914 with the noncombatant  ribbon were awarded and there weren't some many WH officers or NCO that could wear the oak leaves to the 40 years of long service in the army, because of the interlude of the Weimar Republic and its very shrunken effective number of soldiers serving in the Versaille's treaty restricted German Army of the 20ies and early 30ies.

• Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. 1914 am Bande für Nichtkämpfer, nur ca. 13‘000 Verleihungen (OEK 1909), E gs/S;
• Preußen, Verdienstkreuz Kriegshilfsdienst 1916 (OEK 1966),  KM Feinzink;
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz für Kriegsteilnehmer (OEK 3803/2), Hersteller G.S. (Godet & Sohn, Berlin), E br;
• Sachsen, Friedrich August Medaille in Silber 1905 mit Bandsspange „Weltkrieg 1914-18“ (OEK 2284), S;
• Sachsen-Weimar, Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen für Angehörige anderer Staaten 1902-1918 in Silber (OEK 2385), S;
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, WH DA 1. Kl. mit goldenem Eichenlaub für 40 Dienstjahre (OEK 3851), Tombak vs;
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, WH DA 3. Kl. für 12 Dienstjahre (OEK 3854), E vs;

This nice specimen of medal bar comes with the original case of the renown medals & orders dealer Sedlatzek, Berlin. The backing is without label and it's of a Wehrmachts kind of olive green color. 

Enjoy!

Any comment or inputs are mostly appreciated and encouraged. Thanks in advance for your attention.

BR

C

16 hours ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

Nice! What is the 2nd ribbon on the bar?

Looks like a KVK2 1939 without swords....

My latest addition.... mint!

Hi Claudius!

Thanks for the nice words. I think that the Police long service medals and the luftschutz were given by the ten if not hundred thousands... therefore no possibility of identifying this one I’m afraid. Maybe one day a picture of the wearer could surface, who knows? 

ciao

C

Thanks Christophe... the search continues nevertheless...

Oberst von Schlebrügge (Knight Cross holder, Narvik, as first company and then battalion commander)

Dear forumites,

Could somebody tell my if he got the White Falcon Order 2nd class with swords in WWI? And if so date of the bestowal of this decoration? As young cavalry officer of a Thüringisches Husarenregiment it could have well been so.

Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance !

Best regards,

Claudio

Thanks Vince for the thumps up!

Hi Laurentius,

If you open up my attachment you would see that the claws are black. I also have seen, or I have in my collection, almost prominently eagles with red claws and not black... interesting!

Thanks for your good words.

Cheers,

Claudio

Dear forumites,

Here's another nice medal bar owned by a Police officer; since there are somewhere the Lübeck Hanseatenkreuz rolls but aren't yet published I think this it would be a bit more difficult to research on. Nonetheless a very nice medal bars with the fitting ribbon bar:

• Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. 1914 am Kämpferband (OEK 1909), E gs/S;
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Wiederholungsspange 1939 zum Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. 1914, 2. Form (OEK 3825/1), BM vs ;
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse (OEK 3836), Br/Tombak
• Lübeck, Hanseatenkreuz 1915-1918, Verleih. ca. 8‘000 (OEK 1265), vs Ku E
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (OEK 3803/1), Hersteller Paul Küst Berlin, E br;
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, DA d.Polizei 1.Stufe f. 25 Jahre 1938 (OEK 3526), Br vg;
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Luftschutz-Ehrenzeichen 2.Stufe (OEK 3502), Al;
• Ungarn, 1. Weltkriegs-Erinnerungsmedaille 1914-1918.

Any comments are gladly welcome. Enjoy!

Best regards,

Claudio

Thanks Dave! Nonetheless a probable name is not bad at all!!! 7 out of 8 medals are on it and the KVK2 as you rightly said, there weren't always updated on the medal bars usually. 

Thanks again for your research!

Claudio

Dear forumites,

Here I’d like present a nice officer medal bar who also carrier after WWI made.

Description of the medals on the bar:

My Juncker...   almost identical with one already shown here.

Dear forumites,

I’m not sure about the branch of these really very appealing general collar tabs; could they be either for the Geheime Feldpolizei or military judiciary branch. What do you think?

Many thanks in advance for any educated comments or opinions.

Best regards,

Claudio

King Edward VII Coronation Medal

Can it be this medal?