Claudio

Thanks for your nice comments and thank you Paul, for the picture! ;-)

Dear Forumites,

I'd like to show one of my last purchases; it is quite a complete group of the fregate captain Johannes Paul Georg Reymann... most of the documents came with the bar.

Here's the description of the medals on the bar:

• Preussen, Eisernes Kreuz 1914, 2. Klasse am Kämpferband (OEK 1909), E/S
  
• Preussen, Kgl. Hausordern von Hohenzollern, Kreuz der Ritter mit Schwertern (OEK 1789), S/vg W938 (Wagner, Berlin)
  
• Preußen, Roter Adler Orden, 4. Klasse mit Krone, ab 1892 (OEK 1706), S
  
• Preußen, Da-Kreuz für 25 Dienstjahre der Offiziere (OEK 1972), Br vg
  
• Sachsen Königreich, Albrechtsorden RK 1. Kl. mit Schwertern (OEK 2206), Sv R Hersteller Rösner, Dresden
  
• Bayern, Militärverdienstorden 4. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern (OEK 412), S/G
  
• Oldenburg, Friedrich-August-Kreuz 2. Klasse am Kämpferband (OEK 1563), E gs
  
• Braunschweig, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse am Kämpferband (OEK 634), Br
  
• Freistadt Hamburg, Hanseatenkreuz 1915-1918 (OEK 688), WM vs
  
• Bayern, Militärverdienstorden 4. Klasse ohne Schwerter am Statutenband (OEK 409), S (980), Hersteller Jakob Leser
  
• Königreich Rumänien, Orden Stern von Rumänien, Offizierskreuz mit Krone und Schwertern am Ring, 1. Modell
  

Here are the listing of the documents:

25.07.1898 Zeugnis Seekadetten

07.01.1908 Pr RAO4

12.12.1908 Bay MVO4

19.01.1909 Rumänien, Kronenorden Offizierskreuz mit Krone

15.10.1910 Pr RAO4 m/Krone

22.03.1914 Patent Korvettenkapitän

23.06.1916 Sachsen AO 1 Kl. mit X

15.11.1916 Hamburg Hanseatenkreuz

09.02.1917 Bay MVO4 m/Krone

31.05.1917 Pr HOH Kreuz der Ritter mit X

06.06.1918 2 Urkunden Br KVK 1 & 2 Kl.

11.04.1920 Pr Offiziers-DA f. 25 Jahre

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Pr. Centenarmedaille

Kadett

1897, 03.22.S

Grundausbildung

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Allerhöchste Belobigung

Fähnrich zur See

1900, 09.03.

für vorzügliche Kenntnisse in der Seeoffizierprüfung

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Pr. RAO 4. Kl.

Kapitänleutnant

1908, 01.07.

Unterseeboot U 1, Kommandant

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Bay. MVO 4. Klasse

Kapitänleutnant

1909, 03.13.

Inspektion des Torpedowesens, zur Verfügung

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Rum. Orden der Krone Rumäniens, Offizierkreuz

Kapitänleutnant

1909, 08.06.

Inspektion des Torpedowesens, zur Verfügung

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Pr. RAO 4. Kl., Krone z.

Kapitänleutnant

1910, 10.15.

Inspektion des Torpedowesens, zur Verfügung

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Pr. HOH Kreuz der Ritter m. Schwertern

Korvettenkapitän

1917, 05.31.

Hochseeflotte, Admiralstabsoffizier

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Hamburg, Hanseatenkreuz

Korvettenkapitän

1918, 02.14.R

Befehlshaber der Unterseeboote, Chef des Stabes

Reymann, Paul

1897, 04.07.

Pr. Eisernes Kreuz 1914 I. Kl.

Korvettenkapitän

1918, 02.14.R

Befehlshaber der Unterseeboote, Chef des Stabes

Any additional information to this officer is most appreciated...

ciao,

Claudio

Most of them are Feuerwehr-Ehrenzeichen (fire fighters decorations), check here:

http://www.feuerwehr-orden.de/

1st from the right: wrong medal, Hungary, WWI combattants commemorative medal on ribbon of King Ludwig cross (Bavarian Kingdom): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/König_Ludwig-Kreuz

2nd from the right: Bavarian Kingdom, fire fighter cross for merit (1901-1918)

3rd from the right: Bavarian Free State (Weimar Era) Fire Fighter Honour Medal for 40 years service (1920-1936)

4th from the right: Bavarian fire fighter association cross , with blue enamal for non-fire fighter honour cross (1925-1936)

5th from the right: Bavarian Free State (Weimar Era), Fire Fighter Honour medal for 25 years service (1920-1936), on the wrong ribbon, here schould be worn the "TIROLER LANDESGEDENKMÜNZE für die Kriegsteilnahme 1914-1918"

6th from the right: wrong Kyffhäuser WWI veterans Association oval medal on wrong ribbon (that is the ribbon of the Bavarian Fire-Fighters medal)

Last from the left: German Fire Fighter Association honour cross, 2nd class (1929-1936), quite rarely seen on medal bars

Quite a typical medal bar for a Bavarian Fire Fighter... but totally messed up with wrong medals or being wrongly replaced.

ciao,

Claudio

Beautiful bar! I especially like the double needle on the back and the orders at the end of the bar... not to mention, that it came from a Regimental commander who was also an aristocrat: Way to go! :beer:

This thread should be posted on this forum: Germany: Deutsche Freikorps & Weimar Republic

Hi Don,

That is a Weimer-Era Saxon veteran decoration, issued by the Ehrenbund Sächsicher Weltkriegsteilnehmer e.V. (Honorary Organisation of Saxon WWI participants), see also Detlev Niemann catalogues no. 2.02.15. This cross is the Ehrenkreuz am Band (without swords), the ribbon is of course in the typical Saxon colours, green and white: 3 lateral narrow white stripes on green.

ciao,

Claudio

Here one offered by Weitze with its document (quite rare):

https://www.weitze.n...rn__100820.html

Welcome to the club, Thomas! Nice Griffin order you have... I still don't have in my collection; these RK with crown are pretty rare to be seen, even more on medal bars!

ciao,

Claudio

from the side...

General staff kiver...

some more pictures...

Dear forumites,

There are some very good looking and very decorative kivers being offered on a German auction house, at least they appear so to me, as a beginner in this matter, since I do not have any knowledge of their making constructions and quality.

Is there anybody on this forum who would so kindly give his opinion on these pieces?

I would appreciate it very much.

Best regards,

Claudio

Maybe the Swedish order of the sword?

Hi Jason,

Thank you for your kind words. Collectors' attitude and ethics can vary very much... I try to reunite pieces of history together, but sometimes financially it does really not make a lot of sense, in most cases unfortunately!

Look at this group being sold piece by piece on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.de/s...sid=p4340.l2562

I wanted to bid on it, but as you can see it doesn't very much make a lot of sense, at least for the buyer! On the contrary for the seller, he can speculate on it!

Very sad!

ciao,

Claudio

Wow , what the chance that this photo surfaces after one year Hope now that you can find it on Ebay and see if was sold or even better comes again on a new sale . But what kind of uniform is he wearing ?

Christer

Hi Christer,

I think it's a NSKK uniform, Truppführer (1st sergeant)... ;-)

http://www.uniformin...d=53&result=587

http://onesixthnet.yuku.com/topic/2682#.T9DhZGgbZUQ

ciao,

Claudio

Hi Claudio,

I was doing a little searching and found it. I believe it was on eBay last week or the week before.

Best wishes

Matt

Do you still have the Ebay article number?

Wow Matt! That's the same bar (see folding on the ribbons)!!!! :o I haven't seen this picture before... where did you find it? Egay... ehm... I mean Ebay? :whistle:

Very nice bars, especially the 2 place one with the red cross decorations for a civilian... very seldom to see the same guy to be awarded the same decorations, but of different periods (Imperial Königreich Sachsen, Weimar era Württemberg and 3rd Reich). :-)

I rejoiced too soon... but thanks anyway for the good try!

Wow Chris! These are great news... I was really wondering if it wasn't possible to find a possible owner of this bar. Great research work !!!! Thanks a lot... hope that other forumites could confirm your research!

Hi Paul!

Maybe you have already seen some pictures on the web of von Müller, but noone of them show him wearing his decorations. Nonetheless I am posting this nice picture.

Further I found an interesting link in German about him:

http://www.fregatte-emden.de/dieschiffe/emdeni/berichtandenkaiser.html

Strange! I thought that for such a famous and valorous soldier you could find plenty of pictures on the net; also a street in Hannover was named after him!

Wikipedia (German)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Müller_(Marineoffizier)

Good luck finding a nice picture of his medal bar... I would also be curious to see it! :-)

ciao,

I really like these bars; they were worn proudly by veterans that didn't have the chance to be awarded beautiful enameled dinastic orders which were given only to senior staff officers who most of them didn't even see the front or came close to it. But of course there were also a lot of associations members who bestowed on themselves and were in different veteran groups just for the sake of having as much bling-bling as possible. I find such bars quite characteristic of the confused Weimar Republic era. To me it's quite interesting despite the fact that such awards don't command high prices or have a bad reputation because considered self-awarded pieces. I noticed however how prices increased also for such pieces, maybe because some more "sexy" enameled order or kriegsorden became insanely expensive (see also Thies' auction).

Hi Gentlemen!

I don't see any problems with the above-mentioned bar. Such bars really existed and usually have all sorts of Veteran Associations decorations; you just had to be a member of different groups/associations in order to be entitled to get them. They were worn for a relatively short period, because in 1934 most of these medals weren't allowed to be worn on bars, because the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer was issued and should have replaced all these ones. Many of such bars where cannibalized in order to put together new bars with medals that could be worn according the regulation of post 1934. Some bars just remained in draws or cases, carefully stored by their proud owner. Check please my earlier thread on Weimar medal bars: http://gmic.co.uk/in...l +bars +weimar

Just my 2 cents... don't worry Jason your medal and ribbon bar are ok; the fact that also rare 15mm ribbons are on the ribbon bars speaks for the authenticity of this group.

ciao,

Claudio

http://gmic.co.uk/in...dmiral-jantzen/

The combination is similar...

Here a JL with "real" (original) enamel...

On the reserve you can see that on 1 o'clock where the flames is, you can see that a bit of enamel color went on it... quite a sloppy work for a pre-1918 jeweller, don't you think? Furthermore the enamal seems very "flat" on the left, contrary on the right it's seems almost convex (don't how to say it)...