Claudio

Dear forumites,

I wanted to started a separate thread (topic), but despite the fact that I have chosen a Topic Tags (Bavaria) it keeps asking that "You ust select a topic prefix to post in this forum"... I think I am loosing it! It's because I have a mac (apple) computer? well enough said...

Here I'd like to show my newest acquisition (cross on the left): a Militärverdienstorden 4. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern marked J.L. for Jakob Leser on the back of the swords.

I couldn't view it personally, since it has arrived to my brother, but my brother says, that, although on the picture might look good, especially the nice translucent, brighter deep Blue enamel, typical of Leser. The finish however of the enamel however looks very sloppy. Especially on the edge, where the enamel touches the silver edge, you can see what I want to say, if you compare it with the BMO4xKr on the right. My brother also says, and here you cannot see from the pictures, because it's only bi-dimentional and not tri-dimentional, the enamel is not on the same level with the outer silver edge, but a bit stepped lower.

Now for my brother is sure that this JL is an original, but the enamel was restored in a later date, probably recently.

What do you think? I'd really appreciate your most educated comments!

Thanks in advance for your valuable inputs.

ciao,

Thanks guys, for your kind words! ;-)

Interesting... in this case I have a real rare combination in my collection I didn't know to have; MVK3xKr there are only 149 on Kriegsverdienstband! ;-)

Gem. Walter Nickel MVK für Kriegsverdienste (sog. Beamtenband):

MVK 1. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern: 64

MVK 1. Klasse mit Krone: 24

MVK 1. Klasse mit Schwertern: 1’191

MVK 1. Klasse: 365

MVK 2. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern: 1’883

MVK 2. Klasse mit Krone: 468

MVK 2. Klasse mit Schwertern: 1’652

MVK 2. Klasse: 173

MVK 3. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern: 149

MVK 3. Klasse mit Krone: 71

MVK 3. Klasse mit Schwertern: 907

MVK 3. Klasse: 24

Well, then in that case I will to sell my named group for Eur 3000! My BMVO1x is without crown but it is on Beamtenband... wtf! Anyone?

http://www.ebay.de/i...9#ht_500wt_1099

I am speachless... :speechless1:

Well I rather have a good than a ugly ribbon bar, but if a ugly ribbon bar comes with a rock solid id or even better with a picture of the original wearer of the bar, even better. But with so much knowledge concerning ribbon bars circulating around in the collecting community, especially also thanks to this forum, any collectors with pieces of original ribbons and devices can quite easily fake a bar.

I know I am little anal, but I also prefer ribbon bars with fabric covering the sewing on the back, although especially Württemberg ribbon bars and some Saxon didn't always cover the reverse... they were quite conservative with spending money and quite efficient (why do you need to cover the back with fabric when nobody will notice while you're wearing it!)... they are still stingy nowadays (like us Swiss)... ;-)

ciao,

Claudio

Reverse...

One of my latest acquistions... a Civilian tuxedo attire medal bar with an Austrian bronce merit medal at the end.

Enjoy!

Hi guys!

I don't like the Hessen ribbon... it looks like that ribbon has seen some manipulations, see at the height of the medal and the fact that the re-positioning of this medal has left some traces. Is it on Ebay? I think to have it seen before... A picture of the back would help to give more appropriate comments.

More than swordless, I would be sleepless thinking to have such bar in my collection... I don't like it too much... but it's my gut feeling only.

ciao,

Claudio

Hi Christoph!

Your wife is very kind to you... ;-)

Great combination of decorations, impressive! Especially with the foreign awards (Spanish order) in the end... strange that Flandernkreuz ribbon with swords paired with the FEK (Hindenburg cross)... I thought it wasn't allowed to be worn after 34.

ciao,

Claudio

Any pictures? :whistle:

I hoped I could find the wearer of Claudio's bar (from #108), but had no luck so far.

Maybe someone else wants to give it a try, with my additional puzzle parts from Munich's Hermann Historica's 44th auction from may 17th, 2oo3.

It started at 300,- Euros, "Zuschlag" at 360,- Euro.

If we assume both are legit, it's almost impossible they are not to the same wearer. So we can add a KO2(!) to our search as well als a CDIII of some grade, and a merit order from ecuador! Should help...

Possibly yet "aD" and the orders for his post-military carrer...

Hi Sascha,

I really believe that the miniature chain is from the same of owner of the bar. The combination is so unique that I don't think that there are many others with such Foreign awards (Ecuador, China, Japan and Italy!) and that Schaumburg Lippe cross... ;-)

ciao,

Claudio

Nice bars, thanks for showing them! ;-)

Very, very interesting, dear Sascha! Thanks for posting the tuxedo miniature chain... Very uncommon display of orders of different countries... from left to right, Ecuador "National Order of Merit", Japan "Red Cross Medal", China "Order of the Double Dragon", Italy "SS Maurizio & Lazzaro Order"... well at least a well travelled VIP or maybe a Diplomat? I couldn't explain so many countries being represented in a single group... :speechless1:

Another better image from the reverse...

Me neither... but nevertheless interesting, also note the ring (Öse) in a different position than usual.

Beautiful restoration work! Way to go... ;-)

Incredible.... with so few decorations and most importantly common ones I would have never thought it could be passible to trace down the original owner... What an incredible team work! ;-)

Beautiful medal bar! Looks like mounted by Godet... I'd love to see the back of this bar! I always liked the back side... (especially in a woman)... ;)

Thanks Chris! I have got the feeling this bar has already "cannibalized"... I hope not! ;-)

Thanks Tom, I really appreciate your kind words... ;-)

Hi!

Wonderful group you have... my Grand-father was Swiss (like me) and fought in the Foreign Legion in Indochina.

ciao,

Claudio

Claudius, Paul and Chris

Thanks for your kind words... if the moderator of this subforum thinks more appropriate to move this thread under the section "The Lounge", please be my guest!

Ciao,

Claudio

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Thanks for reading this thread!