Claudio

Dear forumites,

I just wanted to inform you that unfortunately this Bavarian 7-placed medal bar has been stolen on his way by mail (Hermes) from Germany to Sweden.

The package was opened and resealed with another tape color. I immediately knew that something was wrong when I got the package in my hands, because it felt so strangely light. I already panicked to the thought that this wonderful bar in pristine conditions might have been stolen, since I also noticed the strange tape, different from the one underneath it.

I post the pictures (front and back) of this bar here, just in case that somebody sees it reappearing on the internet or market.

Hopefully this bar hasn't been already cannibalized... the only consolation is that if also the thieve sells medal by medal, he won't capitalize to much on his crime.

Ciao,

Claudio

I have posted this bar before, but for the benefit of those members who may not have seen it -

Hi WC!

I love your medal bar... especially that Offiziers-DA at the end of the bar... so rarely seen mounted on a bar!

ciao,

Claudio

Nice bar... especially the ribbons' folding (bows on the reverse). The only Imperial era decorations on this bar are the Iron Cross 2nd class and the LS cross, which could still have been bestowed by the Prussian state until after the war in some occasions. The Austrian-Hungarian-Bulgarian trio of WWI commemorative medals have been applied in the 30ies, after all the veterans' unofficial decorations have been prohibited to be worn on such bars.

This very bar could have been put together between 1935-1938 as you rightly said, but it is nice to see posted here in this forum.

Claudio

My brother's find... these (reservists and veterans crosses) are really fun to collect; so many types and so many regiments...

back... what to say; just perfect! Every bar worth buying should look like this!

Ja, Rudi, schade... vielleicht das nächste Mal...

Here another find (my brother's)... nothing from the Imperial era, but nonetheless in stone mint conditions and with a very nice and rarely seen tag on the reverse of the bar. Notice also the double folding of the ribbons' "rosetten" (bow). That's what I call quality. Therefore I am usually not so excited by huge bars, but so un-neatly sewn together.

@ Komtur: nice! Is it some sort of official or semi-official prussian award for long service (50 years) in the forestry domain?

@ Rujab: I think that I have seen that Miniatures chain on a table... beautiful combination, very likely researchable.

Hi Sascha!

Yeah, it's a pity... I read your mail when I was already travelling. I hope to make it next year... ;-)

Thanks guys for your nice words.

@ Claudius: no, it's normal sized Rettungsmedaille (OEK 1867)... these medals were quite small.

Another bar I picked up at Gunzenhausen, coming from an auction.

... and the back. Please note also the CEJ (C.E. Juncker, Berlin) markings on the reverse of the FEK (Hindenburg Cross).

Ciao,

Claudio

Thanks Matt, for your kind words...

Here another Godet bar I found...

Thanks Vince ;)

The marker marks on the FHHO... it goes well with the "Ordenlieferant/Juwelier" who put together this bar!

Here's the picture of the back...

That's a nice one for a Godet fetish like me... ;-)

Dear forumites

Here's is mine latest bar acquired in Gunzenhausen:

• Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse 1914 am Kämpferband (OEK 1909), E gs/S
  
• Preußen, Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfe, 1916-24 (OEK 1966), sv
  
• Hohenzollern, Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden, Ehrenkreuz 3. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern (OEK 1035/3) S/Sv, Herst. Godet 938
  
• Weimarer Republik, Deutsche Ehrendenkmünze des Weltkrieges (DN 2.02.17 a)
  
• Preußen, Landwehr-DA 2. Klasse, Medaille 1913-1920 (OEK 1979), Ku
  
• Kaiserreich Österreich-Ungarn, silbernes Verdienstkreuz
  

The Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden 3rd class with crown and swords is nicely marked Godet.

Has anyone been in Gunzenhausen and would be so nice to show his finds?

Ciao,

Claudio

It's an Austrian post WWI veterans' cross: Ehrenkreuz der österreichischen Ehrenlegion.

Only 183 in 1916-17?

I have other numbers:

Friedrichskreuz 2. Klasse am Kämpferband: ca. 18’000 – 20’000

Friedrichskreuz 2. Klasse am Nichtkämpferband: ca. 700 – 800

Too me it looks like a plain combattan EK ribbon...

Dear John,

From this picture you can't really begin to research very much about the bar; v.Schröder could have also been a mere soldier or NCO. The medals on this medal bar are very common: EK2 (5'000'000 awarded), KVK2 with or without swords (also millions), Hamburg Hansa cross (over 50'000), not to speak about the FEK (Hindy cross as you call it), pratically awarded to every WWI veteran who was still alive in 1934-35 and applied for it. Furthermore more than 10'000'000 German soldiers in the Army during WWI. As you can see the odds to find something on v.Schröder are pratically zero. Only the family could provide with more information. Usually families keep rather documents than medals, maybe there are somewhere hidden in some drawer or maybe they have been destroyed or thrown away, like his KVK2 (de-nazification process after WW2). The majority of the Germans just wanted to forget the war after 1945.

ciao,

Claudio

As WC rightly said and I'd like to add, a picture of the whole medal bar (front and back) would help even more... for a starter it would prove that the medal bar is in your collection and that you are not merely posting such questions for increasing the profit of a possible deal you intend to make. Sorry for being so direct...

Claudio

Ordensklasse Verleihungen

Großkreuz mit der Krone und Schwertern 2

Großkreuz 44

Großkreuz am Bande für Kriegsverdienst 3

Großkreuz mit Schwertern 82

Großkreuz mit Schwerten am Bande für Kriegsverdienst 4

Here's the document to the Luitpold medal with crown...

Here is a group I already posted on this very forum, but I can't find it anymore. This officer served in the 1st FAR:

• Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse 1914-1924 am Kämpferband (OEK 1904), E gs/S
  
• Bayern, Militär-Verdienst-Orden 4. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern (OEK 412), S
  
• Bayern, Militär-Verdienst-Orden 4. Klasse mit Schwertern (OEK 413), S
  
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, FEK (OEK 3803/1), Hersteller R.V. Pforzheim 34
  
• Bayern, Militärische Jubiläumsmedaille mit Krone und Jahreszahlen „1839-1909“ am Band, 1902-1912 (OK 518/1), Br ox
  
• Bayern, Goldene Hochzeits-Jubiläumsmedaille, 1918 (OEK 479), KM
  

Andere Gegenstände:

• 6er Miniaturkette im (beschädigten) Originaletui des Juweliers Gebr. Hemmerle und 2 Feldspangen (5er und 6er)
  
• 1 Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz (OEK 3293), 1 bayerische DA 2. Kl. für 24 Dienstjahre 1906-1921 (OEK 525), ohne Band
  

Urkunden:

• Jub.-Med. mit Krone 28.10.1909, MVO4 mit X 16.4.1914, MVO4 mit Krone u. X 17.5.1918, Kyffhäuser KDM 23.09.1926, FEK 01.02.1935, Verw. Abz. in Schwarz 25.08.1936
  

Hi Dave!

Thank you so much for taking the time to write down all this very interesting information... lots of work! I really appreciated it.

ciao,

Claudio

Very nice! :love: