Claudio

Sascha,

Since these medals were purchased privately I think that the veterans did chose the ribbon they liked most, although I am pretty sure that the Ordensh?ndler had a ribbon system per type of unit to go with their "Treu dem Regiment/Battalion" crosses.

Ciao,

Claudio

This bar has a lot of clasps but unfortunately the clasp for the Infanterie Regt. 91 fell off... Interesting is the last medal (WWI commemorative medal for the members of the 91th Infantry Regiment, Oldenburg).

Sometimes you can see infantry also with a blue red white ribbon, like in this case.

Ciao,

Claudio

Blue black and red for ARTILLERY... here's a bar.

Here a medal bar with blue red yellow ribbon for GARDE!

Infantry had usually this ribbon...

Garde was usually blue with red and yellow stripes in the middle. This one is very particular, with double bar, indicating that the recipient served in two different units.

Ciao,

Claudio

Hi everybody,

These Units WWI commemorative medals had different ribbons. I don't know all the variants but the colours of the ribbons depended for which unit and Waffengattung (Infanterie, Artillerie, Kavallerie, Kriegsmarine).

Here's an example, this is the ribbon used for J?ger troops.

Ciao,

Claudio

I like it, too. I don't think that the fakers are already so ahead and are faking Godet ribbon or medal bars, because you have to find the right parts in order to do it. Sometimes these parts are available on the market. Hopefully it didn't happen, yet!

Ciao,

Claudio

side by side... do you see any differences??? Please note that that the difference of the enamel's colors is due to the fact that these are different quality of scans, not taken at the same time...

@ Komtur: In your opinion is this ?lberg-Kreuz am Einzelbandspange is real or fake?

It should heal not hurt!!!

Unfortunately I couldn't get maybe the most important document of the decorations on the Frackspange: the Olberg-Kreuz Verleihungsurkunde signed by Prince Eitel Friedrich Prinz von Preussen!!!! ARRRGGGGHHHH..... It went for too much money for my taste...

At least I made a copy of the online-catalogue's scan of the afore mentioned document! What a consolation...

I hope you enjoyed this travel through the time of a well decorated Hannoverian top Bank manager...

Ciao,

Claudio

Of course there is also the letter from Reichsbank-Direktorium which informed Hr. Klaproth about bestowal of the "Verdienstkreuz f. Kriegshilfe", dated 31st July 1917 (date of issue of the document was 19th July 1917).

I almost forgot... There's also the "?bersendungsschreiben" of the Oberpr?sident der Provinz Hannover to Hr. Klaproth, dated 26th August 1907 (the document was issued on August 22, four days earlier only!).

Finally on July 5, 1917 Herr Klaproth received his medal!

Herr Klaproth had good manners... he wrote back to Herr Generalkonsul von Koch to thank him for the nice letter and medal he got from him! Talking about German Grundlichkeit... Herr Klaproth - fortunately for us collectors - made the effort to file all his documents so neately!

Letter of the German Consul General von Koch (very likely working for the Ottoman Embassy as Honorary) informing Herr Klaproth informing about the shipment of the medal to him. From the date of bestowal (20th October 1916) until the shipment of the medal to Herr Klaproth took at least more than 8 months (27th June 1917)!!! wow...

Letter of the Ottoman Embassy in Berlin informing Herr Klaproth about the bestowal of the red cross medal in 1916...

@ Scott: Thanks!

Herr Klaproth, as a perfect bureaucrat and bank manager extremely careful in keeping his documentation "clean", had filed every single document in a subfolder with all the correspondance and paper work.

Documents and correspondance for the Turkish Red Cross medal...

2nd document... Roter Adler Orden, 4. Klasse!

Herr Klaproth's Urkunden... the first for the "Verdienstkreuz f?r Kriegshilfe"...

back... always interesting to see the different types of fabrics and tags used by Godet during his activity as Ordensh?ndler from late 19th century until the end of WWII (see other thread about medal bars with St. Heinrich Order http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=19533)

Dear forumites,

In order to bring to new life this very interesting forum, I'd like to take to opportunity to share one of my latest purchases...

Medal description of the Frackspange (Godet):

? Preussen, Verdienstkreuz f?r Kriegshilfe, 1916-1924 (OEK 1966)

? Preussen, Roter Adler Orden 4. Klasse (OEK 1704)

? Preussen, Olberg-Kreuz, ab 1910 (OEK 1854)

? Osmanisches Reich, Medaille Roter Halbmond

Miniature description (Godet):

? Osmanisches Reich, Medaille Roter Halbmond

? Preussen, Roter Adler Orden 4. Klasse (OEK 1704)

? Preussen, Verdienstkreuz f?r Kriegshilfe, 1916-1924 (OEK 1966)

? Schaumburg-Lippe, Hausorden Offiziersehrenkreuz (OEK 1206)

? Sachsen-Weimar, Hausoden vom Weissen Falken, Komturkreuz (OEK 2329)

? Oldenburg, Hausorden Herzog Peter Friedrich Ludwig, Offizierskreuz (OEK 1512)

? Osmanisches Reich, Medjidje-Orden, Komturkreuz

Any additional information on Herrn Klaproth is very welcome!!!

Ciao,

Claudio

Always show the back!!!

@ Scott: Yes, the St. Heinrich Order is loose, but it's in very good conditions without any enamel damage, very rare for such an order with delicates enameled parts, especially like the crowns and the medallion (Saxon Crest).

@ Bernd: What's your source of information? Do you have any other details to share? Thanks in advance for your most appreciated assistance!

Herewith I am posting another medal bar, a late WWII Godet medal bar (see unuusual fabric - light blue instead of grey - on the reverse). Our Rick L. researched the likely wearer of this bar and came up with a name.

Description of the medals:

? Preussen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse 1914 (OEK 1909)

? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Kriegverdienstkreuz 2. Kl. ohne Schwerter (OEK 3836)

? Sachsen-K?nigreich, Ritterkreuz St. Heinrich-Orden (OEK 2088)

? Sachsen-K?nigreich, Zivildienstorden RK 2. Klasse mit Schwertern (OEK 2155)

? Sachsen-K?nigreich, Albrechtsorden 2. Kl. mit Schwertern (OEK 2212)

? S?chsiche Herzogt?mer ab 1826, RK 2. Klasse mit Schwertern (OEK 2478)

? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz f?r Frontk?mpfer (OEK 3803)

? ?sterreich 1. Republik, 1. WK Erinnerungsmedaille

? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Luftschutz-Ehrenzeichen, 2. Stufe (OEK 3509)

? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Deutsches Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen, 1939 (OEK 3520)

? Ungarn, 1. WK Erinnerungsmedaille

Research of Mr. Richard Lundstr?m:

Adalbert Flaccus born 24 December 1880 in Alterwald, Rheinprovinz. Also in Saxon J?ger Bataillon 12 (last KNOWN

rank Lt dR 23.1.09 W), civil occupation Diplom Ingenieur (that Westwall.....).

SA3bX 19.10.15 as Lt dR in JB 12

SEHO-R2X 20.5.16 as Oberlt dR in JB 12.

SV3bX 24.12.16 (a nice birthday present!) as Oberlt dR in JB12

StHO 29.4.17 as Oberlt dR and a company commander in JB 12 on the Macedonian front

His St. Henry was earned amidst Turkish and Bulgarian troops, so I am surprised there is no Bulgarian WW1

Commemorative Medal. It is possible that this group was NOT his, but I'm at least 80% sure it was.

Enjoy the pictures...

Ciao,

Claudio

And I know where this one is...

mmmhh.... let me guess! Here it is! I still like it very much!!!!

Research of Mr. Rick Lundstr?m

*09.01.1883 Kurt Oertmann was born in Wurzen, Saxony.

ca. 1903 Joined the army. He served his entire career with the Saxon Infantry regiment no. 102

18.08.1903 Leutnant

ca. 1910 Received Bavarian Military Merit Order, Fourth Class, Peacetime ribbon, while on

detached service as Cadet Instructor with the Royal Saxon Corps of Cadets

09.08.1912 Oberleutnant

ca. 1914 Serving as Adjutant I Korps, Infantry Regiment no. 102

31.10.1914 Albert Order, Knight?s Cross, 2nd Class with Swords

28.11.1914 Hauptmann

05.02.1916 Bavarian Military Merit Order, 4th Class with Swords

20.05.1916 Albert Order, Knight?s Cross, 1st Class with Swords

24.08.1917 Albert Order, Crown to The Knight?s Cross, 1st with Swords

07.05.1918 Military Order of Saint Henry, Knight?s Cross

St. Henry Citation: Oertmann has distinguished himself again at the Battle of Armentieres, where the IR 102 was attached to the 32nd Infantry Division (09.04.1918). Without caring for his own safety, he led his battalion several times in assaults on the enemy lines. His leadership and courage had great influence on the spirit of his men.

Serving as Hauptmann/Commanding II Korps, Infantry Regiment no. 102

ca. 1920 Demobilized from the Imperial Army

Listed in 1939 as Commander, Wehrmeldeamt Bitterfeld, Saxony, with the rank of Major z.D., seniority date of 1 June, 1932.

Ciao,

Claudio