Claudio

Nice bar!  show please the back also, from the front it looks very much like a Godet bar...

Hi Admiral,

I think it must be a "Ritterkreuz" (Caballero) because it's without rosette, given usually to subaltern grade officers (lieutenant-captain, for the German KM from Leutnant z.See to Kapitänleutnant).

See also Order of Merit Chile

C

First ribbon bars has two ribbons of non-official 1st WW Weimar-Republic era:

1) Ostfront-Kreuz des Ehrenbundes Sächsischer Weltkriegsteilnehmer (just half of it)

2) Ordensrat der Deutschen Ehrenlegion i. V. des Verbandes national gesinnter Soldaten e. V. with crossed swords for combattants

cheers,

C

Thanks for the correction! 

Some more data (ancestry) on Friedrich Theodor Ludwig von Stamford:

Friedrich Ludwig Theodor von Stamford geboren am 23.11.1832 in Allendorf Werra (Bezirk Kassel, Kurfürstentum Hessen), Sohn des Friedrich Wilhelm Leopold von Stamford und der Charlotte Sophie Wiederhold (geb. 1810 – Todesdatum unbekannt), verheiratet in Littlemore (Oxfordshire, England) am 29.09.1869 mit (Harriet) Maud Huntingford (1848-1942). Ehegattin am 23.07.1942 in Belgium verstorben. Tochter Wilhelmine Maud von Stamford in Frankfurt a.M. (Hessen-Nassau, Preussen, Deutsches Reich) 08.02.1871 geboren.

Interesting that he married in England!

C

Hi Vince!

I thought it too. I couldn’t find nothing about the German branch of this family though. 

https://www.houseofnames.com/stamford-family-crest

Great picture! Thanks for posting it; it looks like this photo was taken during the same period when Stamford would have gotten his Persian order, I wonder the reason of the bestowal. Maybe a high ranking visit from Persia in Waldeck?

Thanks for the kind words. Actually you are right; there weren't many other interesting bars to bid on, with exception of one that had extremely interesting pre-1870/71 combination (MEZ1+2 both first type), also if not researchable. Fortunately this was successfully acquired by another GMIC member... ;-)

@ Paul: I thought so... that marine-blue fabric on the back... ;-) 

@Heiko: thanks! 

New entry... no label on the back, but nonetheless typical early 20ies Godet medal bar. Blue backing, Landwehr staff officer (medical? Not necessarily). I was wondering if this one is ID-able... that BMVO3X and the Lippe cross combination...have a good “viewing”!

cheers,

C

Interesting... thanks for the most valuable inputs. It could also well be that that Pr66 was listed as a mistake. That wouldn’t be the first time that it happened. Furthermore most of the officers who participated the Franco-Prussian war didn’t always automatically end up with a EK like in later wars when EKs were more abundantly awarded. Not to mention that he got a KDM 70-71 in steel (not in bronze) henceforth for non-combatants. 

C

Thanks Heiko for the correction... yes it’s a m not n. My fault. There’s no mention of 1866 campaign cross in Efler’s book. I don’t know why Stamford didn’t wear on his bar or miniature chain... that is most strange....

Dear forumites,

I'd like to present my latest purchase. A fine medal bar with and a "Miniaturkettchen" (Miniatures) for civilian attire.

•    Preußen, Roter Adler Orden 4. Kl., Herst. Wagner (OEK 1703 ), S/emailliert;
•    Preußen, Kronenorden 3. Kl., Herst. Wagner (OEK 1757), G/emailliert;
•    Preußen; Offz. DA f. 25 Dienstjahre, 4. Form ab 1895 (OEK 1970/1), Br vg;
•    Preußen, Kriegsdenkmünze für Nichtkämpfer 1870/1871 (OEK 1941/2), St;
•    Preußen, Zentenarmedaille 1897 (OEK 1965), Br vg;
•    Persien, Kaiserlicher Sonnen- und Löwenorden gestiftet 1808, Ritterkreuz für Ausländer (sitzender Löwe);
•    Waldeck, Militärverdienstkreuz für Offiziere 2. Klasse 1861 (OEK 2867), S vg mit echt goldenem AV-Medaillon, Efler Seite 60 133 Verleihungen, zurückgegeben (Tod des Trägers) 38, verliehen am 14.1.1882.

This officer resided in Hofgeismar and was Lieutenant-Colonel in the Dragoon Regiment 5 and got his Waldeck MVO2 on January 14th 1882. He was promoted Rittmeister during the Franco-Prussian war (1870-71), Major in 1885 and retired as Oberstleutnant (all this info I got it from the very interesting book of Efler about Waldeck-Pyrmont orders and medals).

However I do not have more data about him: date of birth and death, his CV or any other interesting info. It would be also quite interesting to know how he got the Persian order. I would really appreciate a lot if someone could provide me with more info about this a bit elusive officer.

Thank you very much in advance for your interest and your future comments and inputs.

Best regards,

C

Wooooooooooooooooooow!!!!!  no more? Just joking.... thanks a bunch!!!! Now I have pretty enough... interesting the assessment of his superiors, the data on almost all the orders he got....  and also a picture! 

From very little now we know quite a lot of this E officer... 

Thanks again, Andy! ...also for adding the date of bestowal of the HHOX...

Thanks a lot Andy... you made my day!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Paul,

Yes, I know... ;-) I just wanted to know more about the Hugo Oster... I can't find anything about him! I was just curious about his career and especially about the POW camp for officers (OFlag VII A Murnau), he very likely commanded in WW2 (see also : https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=218675 )

Here there's an interesting article about the discovery of pictures of that OFlag and its stories... Deutschland 1945: Spektakuläre Lager-Bilder (Artikel Merkur.de)

Also this article is quite interesting: BSZ 24.07.2015

Some E officers are really very elusive...

Ciao,

C

From this website (German Camps –British & Commonwealth Prisoners of war 1939-45)

Hi Grey!

Thanks for your additional info:

WBK Gelsenkirchen

I posted also the WAF’s thread in my previous initial message; the info I’m still looking are more specific (see the end of my message).

Thanks anyway.

C

Dear forumites,

I am trying to get more information about the above-mentioned officer. this is all I could find on him:

Oberst (E) on 01.05.1934,  Hugo Oster born 01.10.1882, commanding officer of WBK Gelsenkirchen (what is that???)

Apparently he served in WW2 as a commander of a POW camp (OFlag) for high ranking officers (mainly Polish officers), but there's no confirmation.

It is possible that this bar below was his, but there are no pictures or other solid evidence to confirm that also (see: thread on the WAF discussed by poor Rick L. among the others).

Moreover there's a very interesting short Bavarian TV produced documentary about the POW camp.

Any additional info (like date of promotions, dates of his orders and decorations bestowal, place of residence, date of death, etc.) it's most appreciated!

ciao,

C

Dear forumites,

Just freshly and safely arrived. I had a good "gut feeling"... the ribbon bar it's a typical Godet constructed one and the backing of the bar is flawless.

Enjoy...

Cheers,

C

Hi Dave,

Many thanks for having explained it in detail; I thought so, that such officers with mixed career could count together all his years of Services... It reminds me a bit this bar Georg Meissenburg of IR 96 who also could have had a "mixed" career.

But... because of the Label on the back (Erfurt) and the fact in 1938 Capell was in Erfurt, we could assume it is bar, couldn't we?

I mean... if Paul found 3 officers who had this kind of combination, I don't think that there are many more with such long service and such combination, don't you think? I'd say max 5-10.

A picture of Capell would definitely help, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack...

Thanks again for your Inputs again!

ciao,

C

Hi Paul,

Capell's time of service (1920-1935, 15 years) in the police plus about 10 years in the army (although the years in the war 1914-1918 would have counted double) could have been added in order for him to get a WH-Long Service Award for 25?

Ciao,

C

About Paul Capell... I noticed that, according to the list, he was in Erfurt in 1938... on the back of the bar, there's a Label of the Orders/medals dealer "Hans Hillmann, Erfurt". I haven't received the bar, yet, but I need to check the reverse of the bar. That will confirm , contrary to what I thought, that this bar might have been of OLT Capell after all!

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your fast reply.

@ Laurentius: Thanks for the compliments! ;-)

OTL Capell died before the war in a car accident... but I'm pretty sure this is a KM-medal bar (Kriegsmarine).

Oberstleutnant (01.04.37) Paul Capell

*13.07.1890 in Soest
†27.01.1939 auf einer Übung mit Kfz. tödl.verunglückt

1912 im Inf.Reg.162
01.06.1920 im Polizeidienst
15.10.1935 Übertritt zum Heer
15.10.1935 Kom. IV/Inf.Reg.25 (Köslin)
06.10.1936 Kom. II/Inf.Reg.94 (Köslin)
10.11.1938 beim Stab Inf.Reg.71 (Erfurt)
27.01.1939 tödl.verunglückt

Here's the link to the history of :

Generalleutnant Hans Basse

I don't think is Basse, his ribbon bar seems a bit "longer" on this Picture, although the combination of decorations is "almost" confirmed by the link above mentioned: according the the data of that link he had also the Hamburg Hanseatenkreuz.

I think it must be Kapitän z.See Eugen Richter, commander of the III. Marine-Flak-Brigade in Brest (France) : http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Marineflak/MFlakBrig3.htm, just my feeling about it.

Now I have to find a photo of him...

Ciao,

C

Dear forumites and friends,

I'd like to know if it's possible to ID this medal bar that I recently purchased:

• Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. 1914 am Kämpferband (OEK 1909), E gs/S;
• Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Militär-Verdienstkreuz 2. Kl. am Kämpferband, 76‘615 Verleihungen im 1. WK (OEK 1352), Br vg;
• Lübeck, Hanseatenkreuz 1915-1918, ca. 8‘000 Verleihungen (OEK 1265), vs Ku E;
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (OEK 3803/1);
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, DA 1. Klasse für 25 Dienstjahre (OEK 3852);
• Deutsches Reich 1933-45, DA 3. Klasse für 12 Dienstjahre (OEK 3854).

In my opinion is a typical KM combination... see also the eagles on the ribbon bar.

Thanks in advance for your comments/Inputs.

Cheers,

Claudio