Yankee

That is a good question actually, it could be for Foreign as well as Russian. Usually St. Anne's that are foreign made will have a well detailed picture of the Saint and are early for so many were given out for the Allies of the Napoleonic wars. Explains why you see so many early privately made foreign ones, they are rare too. The later centers are not as detailed but are beautifully colored in landscapes. Sincerely Brian

Hi Mark Oppps I apologize post 14 in response is to be addressed to you not mike The Saint Anne you found has a 1st half 19th century painting of the Saint on a later (new) cross in shiny gold. I would shy away from it, the turn of the century ones do turn up often enough. I suspect a 1st half 3rd class that is proper would fetch 5000 these days. A late 19th century 1500-3000, auctions are a good source for them. Every now and then the orginal ribbon rings are included ( a thick long gold wire & they can be marked as well ) Sincerely Brian

Avoid that one

Avoid that one Brian

Hi Mike The one you saw on ebay is dark red enamel most likely made in the 1860's or 1870's it was the fashion back then perfectly a good piece and highly sought after however it would not work for you, the piece is way to early for your needs. You can also find them in black enamel as well & they should be hallmarked too. Non- Russian made ones are often encountered and usually have no markings. The one pictured is Russian made. Unfortunately there are copies now big time and you need to closely examine even the hallmarks can be forged. Sincerely Brian

Hi Mark Absolutely fantastic displays Is the uniform on the left a German State General? One always notices all those Third Reich uniforms but seldom one encounters WWl & prior officer corps. A real marvel to see the hats and I noticed you have medal bars on the other uniforms excellent research and dedication. Great job Sincerely Brian

Any chance to zoom the foto with bar only

The St Vladimir is higher ranking & would come before the St.Anne. But I don't see a St.Ann on the bar. He certainly would have recived the St.Vladimir after being awarded the St.Anne. When was the St.Anne awarded? The picture is from 1928 as I understand and he a General which certainly could entitle him to the St.Vladimir. The St.Vladimir is a civil award and can be awarded for bravery as well. In 1855 swords were placed to clearly indicate civil or military. Sincerely Brian

It can't be Saint Anne, for the last badge on the bar lacks the gold filigree decoration between the arms. A very strong possibility would be a St.Vladimir by that foto. Good luck Mark

Hi Mark Did you find out how many were issued without swords?

Good one. Medal cleaning kit w/ belt sander got one too last Christmas There are people who due clean their medals and destroy them in the process, saw a Saxon badge in the German State forum totally unrecognizable

And leave all that good German beer behind not a chance.

Hi Mike What a surprise to see a Christian Vll with the variant crown. A dream to see such a great piece. Made my day Only seen one before in a foto. Book was by Rolf Christensen

Hi Ed Good question. Was really not sure where to place the bar, seeing the German medals were the earliest that were received, assumed he was a German

Great find Can you post yours too, not every day we can see an early treasure.

Hello Carol l & Orden Master Identification of this bar has remained a mystery for a very long time, any light you can shed in helping to identify the group would be a marvel

When a knight of Christian Vlll does come to the market what would one pay in either type of crown design? I've only seen Frederik Vll and later for sale these days. Thanks

Hay fellows Found a picture exactly like the one posted by Mark of King Christian lX wearing his decorations in my only book on Denmark. Clearly see the Silver Cross, campaign medal and the Redeemer good eyes mike. So what is missing is that 4th order. I think your right in being Russian and would venture to say a Saint Vladimir which would go to a ruling Monarch.

Hi Mike Interesting to note in all the years that the Dannebrog has been around new design ( from 1808 ) the crown has not changed. Only once did I see an example of a very different style crown ( book )and that was for Christian Vlll which would be in the 1840's and that was the time you stated for a change in court jewelers. At one time did see a Christian Vll for sale and that crown was all together different, exactly like the ones we are use to seeing. So there must have been two jewelers competing at the same time or one was privately made. Sincerely Brian

Ahhhh even better to read a good book on medals to the girls in mini skirts certainly be a first for them then one will say wow what a cool hobby mike . Where are all the women in this hobby Brian

Hi Mike Here is the Dannebrog from Frederik Vlll on a straight ribbon. The badge is not as concaved as the earlier ones, smaller crowns and not that ivory white in color on the arms. Were there any other changes at the turn of the 20th century for the cross? Sincerely Brian

By chance would you have any of the medal rolls for what is on the bar. Perhaps only a handful of Germans would have received the 2nd class 1st type. Sincerely Yankee

Hi Mike Since Mark wants to duplicate General Nyholm's decorations and bars didn't come into play into post WWl, then he can attach onto uniform as single pieces which would be correct providing the date of the uniform. If not dated, What is the rank of Mark's uniform? Brian