Carol I

On 07/07/2020 at 13:03, new world said:

Those eagles looks weird

Indeed, strange eagles, no blue ribbon with the motto, strange monogram supposed to look like Carol II's (but made in the style of Carol I's), hinge below the swords and possibly wrong ribbon as well.

It is not the official design the Order of the Star. I would stay away from it.

The jeweller's first name was Heinrich and 589-36 was some sort of serial/production number.

The group in white uniforms to the right of the photo are Romanian officials of the National Renaissance Front

A nice Weiss example. The markings are "589-36", "HW" and the national mark for silver.

On ‎23‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 10:04, Richard S said:

I´m looking for decrets of the socialist period whith which orders will be established. For exanpe the decret No. 16 Prezidiul Marii Adunari Nationale from the 30.04.1948 (Order of Labor).

Who can help?

Richard

https://lege5.ro/Gratuit/g42domrz/decretul-nr-16-1948-privind-infiintarea-ordinului-muncii

Thanks a lot Egorka! It seems that Mihail Glavatzchi's sister, Liza, worked as a nurse in the Ryshkovka (army?) hospital during the war.

Two more photos surfaced from the Bessarabian branch of the family. I would appreciate if you can help with a translation of the written legend on the back of one of them.

P.S. I am a rather disconcerted by how quickly the time passes. I thought I posted the previous pictures only a couple of years ago, only to discover that almost 5 years have passed.

10 hours ago, kingsman64 said:

Hope this works? 

Great, thanks!

Very nice find, congratulations! It is amazing that you could find the context of the awards.

May I please ask you for better resolution images of the award cerificates?

It has the maker's mark, the period's state mark for silver (probably the one for the stated purity), so it is silver.

I think one admin could easily move threads. Alternatively you post the thread (again) in the right section and an admin can later delete this one or simply leave it pray to neglect...

It's most likely silver, but please move this thread to the relevant section for more details: Central & Eastern European States

23 hours ago, Utgardloki said:

Wow, thank you  for sharing those great pictures. The difference to the austrian orders i can see (correct me if I'm wrong) is, that it seems like they got the same sash as normally, but wear them around the neck, whereas the austrian sashs were specially sewn for priests (without any rosettes or meshs and without the two ends, not that long and it seems like they even have a curvature to fit better)

On the first picture Carol shared of Bishop Melchisedec the two upper sashs look like miniature sashs, very interesting

Indeed it is the style of wearing the sashes that is different for the Orthodox clergy and its origin could be that proposed by Utopis. As to the question whether they are 'normal sashes', the photographic evidence indicates that in some cases as that of Bishop Melchisedec above and Bishop Nifon (1860-1923) below they were narrower versions, at least those of the Romanian orders.

And to come back to the orders that started this topic, please find a painting of Metropolitan Nifon (1789-1875) wearing an Austrian Order of Franz Joseph, apparently fastened directly to the ribbon of the Russian Order of St Anne. The Austrian sash is not visible.

Romanian clergymen have also worn the sashes around the neck: B/W photo of Bishop Melchisedec (1823-1892) and colour photo of Patriarch Teoctist (1915-2007).

The Museum of the Legion of Honour has one collar of this order.

Hi Alex,

Yours is the correct ribbon. Type one insignia (1877-1932) had red ribbon with two blue stripes on each side. The red ribbon with one blue stripe on each edge is the Military Virtue ribbon for battlefield awards. Hence it does not fit peacetime insignia.

15 hours ago, eurorders said:

an officer with swords of the first type in case

... and with wrong (battlefield) ribbon.

You're welcome, Gordon. Here is more on the history of the medal. It was originally established in 1878 as a two class award and was reorganised as a three class award in 1932. The wartime awards (with swords) were introduced in 1937, also in a three-class system. 

2 hours ago, Gordon Craig said:

Hi Gordon

This is old type of the medal with the coat of arms in use until 1922 (and it should also have a surmounting crown). The other ones are of the type used during WWII.

18 hours ago, Bayern said:

Hello , Existed the Crucea nationala Serviciul Credincios and the Medalia natinala Serviciul Credincios .the cross was higher than the medal .both were awarded to military or civilian personnel in peace time or war time . The were the highest award for people without higher school education . For the better educated existed the Order . Ordinul National Serviciul Credincios , with a fixed number of members among Romanian citizens civilian and military. the Order was awarded in five degrees Grand Cross ,great officer ; commander ,officer and cavalier. the order was for strangers also and out of the number fixed for Romanians. Cross and medal were also extensibles to foreigners whitin the same education frames

I thought Nicholas' question was about the wartime awards. Also, I would like to add that although the Faithful Service Order indeed had 5 classes in 1937, these were Collar, Grand Cross, Grand Officer, Commander and Officer.

Hi Nicolas,

The Faithful Service Cross and Medal were the lowest wartime decorations according to the Royal Decree no. 1932/1941, with the cross ranked above the medal. Unfortunately I do not have access to the text of the decree, but I guess the difference was on whether the award was for armed deeds (cross) or for service (medal).

2 hours ago, new world said:

I am a bit puzzled by this stamp, as CF Zimmermann did not put full name of their firm on German awards, normally it's a number 20 as I recall. On WWII German (DKIG, various badges, etc) awards you can see underside of the pin marked "20" which is the code number for C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim.

Romanian orders manufactured by C. F. Zimmermann during WWII had a "CFZ" mark.

This is the Maritime Medal, established in 1936, later named Medal for Maritime Virtue.

On 04/08/2018 at 06:10, razvanp said:

Hi,

just to make things more complicated - there is a 5th version of the order (both first and second type)- given to foreign dignitaries only.

It has both type of swords - war and merit (on the cross and above the cross). For the first type, I have a cavalier only, while for the second type, I have cavalier but I've seen it up to the Grand Officer. It seems that the ribbon is of the war type, with a silver/white stripe added to the middle (second type). This one was sold at auction without badge.

This model (both the badge and the ribbon) was not described in any official regulation and therefore I regard them as fantasy pieces made to deceive the collectors.