Kriegsmarine Admiral

It says it was the Großkreuz in the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste.

He retired on 23 May 1918. But his last rank was Marineoberchefingnieur (equivalent to the rank of Kapitän zur See) (from 13 July 1916). On 23 August 1919 he was "Rang als Konteradmiral (Ing.) verliehen". It doesn't say it was a Charakter rank, but it has to be, since he was retired for over a year when he got the rank. He would most certainly be considered Konteradmiral a. D. of the Kaiserliche Marine. In my opinion, all officers that got promoted to admiral ranks until 1 January 1921 (when the Reichsmarine was officialy established) are considered Kaiserliche Marine admirals.

Thank you Demir. Yes, I mentioned it because I saw it on the photo. I just wanted to be sure if it's really the Ottoman War Medal.

For Adolf Schützler or Oskar von Truppel? Here is for both: Adolf Schützler (03 August 1860 in Bonn – 13 January 1932 in Aachen) Oskar von Truppel (17 May 1854 in Katzhütte - 20 August 1931 in Berlin-Frohnau)

For the duration of the war he was the Fleet Engineer with the Command of the High Seas Fleet, then the High Seas Forces (30 March 1914-02 April 1918). He retired on 23 May 1918. Yes, it's the Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz. Here is his list of awards: -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit Schwertern (02. 03. 1918) -Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse -Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse -Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897 -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden III. Klasse -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden IV. Klasse -Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz -Königlich Bayerischer Militärverdienstorden III. Klasse mit der Krone und Schwertern -Offizierskreuz des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit Schwertern -Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz -Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse -Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse -Kaiserlich Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond Regarding Truppel, I will send you a PM.

Is this the Ottoman War Medal (Harp Madalyası) he is wearing? Thanks

Thank you! Do you agree with the rest of my ID's of the medals that have the "???" at the end?

I updated Hugo's list of awards (see above). The correct date for his Stern zum KO2 is 18 January 1901. The November date is for Oscar. Here is the list of Oscar von Schuckmann's awards and a photo: -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub (18. 01. 1901) -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit dem Stern (09. 11. 1901) -Königlich Preußische Kriegsdenkmünze für die Feldzüge 1870–71 für Kämpfer -Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897 -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden III. Klasse mit der Schleife -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden III. Klasse -Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz -Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse des Großherzoglich Badischen Ordens vom Zähringer Löwen -Ehrengroßkomturkreuz des Großherzoglich Oldenburgischen Haus- und Verdienstordens des Herzogs Peter Friedrich Ludwig -Ehrenkomturkreuz des Großherzoglich Oldenburgischen Haus- und Verdienstordens des Herzogs Peter Friedrich Ludwig -Kaiserlich Russischer St. Annenorden II. Klasse mit Brillanten -Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse des Königlich Norwegischen Ordens des heiligen Olaf

I guess he then wasn't awarded the Stern to his RAO2mE. And the two dates listed for his KO2mSt both refer to the KO2. But only one date can be correct. I just found the PDF of the Deutscher Ordens-Almanach 1904/05 you used for Hugo von Schuckmann. Here, Schröder also doesn't have the Stern to his RAO2mE.

I guess this is the website of the "Neues Adels-Portefeuille 1200 bis 1945"? http://home.foni.net/~adelsforschung2/portefeuille08.htm In this case, zur Disposition doesn't mean they were active after they retired (during WW1 for example). It means "Vizeadmiral zur Disposition" was their last rank and position. In both their cases zur Disposition means "retired", since they weren't active after that. For example, Hugo von Schuckmann was "zur Disposition gestellt unter Verleihung des Charakters als Vizeadmiral" on 14 December 1901. Yes, zur Disposition meant that he could be used as Offizier z.D. if needed, but in his case, he wasn't used after 14 December 1901. Regarding Oscar von Schuckmann, he was born on 25 May 1851 in Anklam, Pommern and died on 07 March 1920 in Kiel-Kitzeberg. Since he and Hugo weren't born in the same city, I'm not so sure they were brothers after all. Why is the RAO2mE listed without the Stern here (from 1904) if we agreed he must've received it in 1901?

Thank you. From which dates are the 1892 and 1893 Rangliste?

I have a question very similar to the one I asked about the Roter Adler-Orden of Char. Vizeadmiral Hugo von Schuckmann. See here: https://gmic.co.uk/topic/77147-roter-adler-orden-of-char-vizeadmiral-hugo-von-schuckmann/ Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Schröder was awarded the RAO2mE on 08 August 1889. The Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste, just like in Schuckmann's case, lists the KO2mSt twice (see the photo below). I believe the first date (11 January 1892) is the date of him being awarded the Stern to the Kronen-Orden 2. Klasse. The second date (17 January 1892) should then be the award date of the Stern to his RAO2mE. Schröder is not listed in the oldest Rangliste I have (1894), because he retired on 6 November 1893. If anyone has the 1893 Rangliste, could you please look up Vizeadmiral Schröder and see if he was awarded the Stern to his RAO2mE. Thanks!

Thank you very much for confirming that Schuckmann was awarded the RAO2mE! He was born on 04 January 1848 in Viecheln, Mecklenburg. He died on 07 December 1931 in Berlin-Wilmersdorf. To my knowledge, he didn't become Vizeadmiral zur Disposition in WWI. Where did you see that information? If you are referring to Oscar von Schuckmann, he was born in 1851. That would make him his younger brother. But I don't know if they were brothers? How do you know that? Also, what more do you want to know about Oscar? *EDITED Here is the list of Hugo von Schuckmann's awards: -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub (18. 01. 1900) -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit dem Stern (18. 01. 1901) -Königlich Preußische Kriegsdenkmünze für die Feldzüge 1870–71 für Kämpfer -Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897 -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden III. Klasse mit Schleife und mit der Krone -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden III. Klasse -Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz -Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande -Komturkreuz des Königlich Bayerischen Militärverdienstordens -Ehrengroßkomturkreuz des Großherzoglich Oldenburgischen Haus- und Verdienstordens des Herzogs Peter Friedrich Ludwig -Ehrenritterkreuz II. Klasse des Großherzoglich Oldenburgischen Haus- und Verdienstordens des Herzogs Peter Friedrich Ludwig -Komturkreuz II. Klasse des Herzoglich Sachsen-Ernestinischen Hausordens -Ritterkreuz des Königlich Italienischen Ordens vom Heiligen Mauritius- und Lazarus -Kaiserlich Russischer St. Annenorden II. Klasse -Kaiserlich Russischer St. Stanislaus-Orden I. Klasse -Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse des Königlich Norwegischen Ordens des heiligen Olaf -Kaiserlich Türkischer Medschidié-Orden IV. Klasse -Offizierskreuz des Tunesischen Nischan-el-Iftikhar-Ordens -Großkreuz des Königlich Spanischen Ordens für Verdienste zur See

I need help regarding his Roter Adler Orden 2. Klasse. On this photo provided by Sandro, we can see he is wearing the RAO2 around the neck, below the Kronen Orden 2. Klasse. The photo was taken sometime between 16 November 1898 (his promotion to Konteradmiral) and 14 December 1901 (his retirement). As far as I'm aware, he's wearing these two decorations wrong. RAO2 should be on the top and KO2 below it. I'm having trouble confirming the exact Class of the RAO2. I know it's the 2. Klasse for sure. Schuckmann retired on 14 December 1901. I don't have the 1900 or 1901 Kaiserliche Marine Rangliste, so I can't confirm if he was awarded the RAO2, and which Class. In the 1899 Rangliste he still has just the Roter Adler-Orden 3. Klasse mit Schleife und mit der Krone. The Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste I looked at next seems to have an error. It lists "Pr. Kronen-O. 2. Kl., Stern z." twice, first on 18 January 1901 and second on 09 November 1901 (see the second photo below). My conclusion is the following: he was indeed awarded the Stern to his KO2 on the first date (18 January 1901). Regarding the second date (09 November 1901), I think that on this date he was awarded the Stern to his RAO2 mit Eichenlaub. This is where I need help. Can anyone find out if he was awarded the Roter Adler-Orden 2. Klasse mit Eichenlaub before 09 November 1901? If he was, my assumption would be correct. As far as I know, he couldn't have been awarded just the RAO2 (without the Eichenlaub), because the Grand Cross, 1st and 2nd Class could be awarded with Eichenlaub, indicating prior receipt of the next lower class of the order. Since he had the Roter Adler-Orden 3. Klasse mit Schleife und mit der Krone, it's pretty safe to assume his RAO2 (whenever it was awarded) was awarded with the Eichenlaub. And on 09 November 1901 (little more than a month before he was retired) he was then awarded the Stern to his RAO2mE. Thanks for any help!

I found this: "He disagreed with some views of Grand Admiral Prince Heinrich of Prussia, specifically with regards to using submarine warfare. To his great surprise, he was asked into retirement by the Emperor on 18 September 1915. Funke suffered from depression and died aged 67 in 1932 in Berlin, where he had lived in retirement." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Funke

I'm not sure what photo you mean, but try and look here: https://gmic.co.uk/topic/77098-char-admiral-gustav-schmidt-medal-bar-id/ Char. Admiral Gustav Schmidt had the breast star of the Oranien-Nassau.

Who are the two naval officers on this photo?

Here is another photo of his medal bar. This one is missing the Flandernkreuz and the last cross that is visible after the OFA2 on the above photos.

Thank you!

Thank you. And what about the last medal on this pre-WW1 photo? Is it an Ottoman medal?

Please help me ID his medal bar. - Eisernes Kreuz (1914) 2. Klasse - Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz ??? - China-Denkmünze in Bronze ??? - Südwestafrika-Denkmünze (Class unknown) ??? (see the photos of his ribbon bar) - Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897 - Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern - Herzoglich Sachsen-Meiningisches Kreuz für Verdienst im Kriege in Bronze - Großherzoglich Hessische Tapferkeitsmedaille ??? - Fürstlich Schaumburg-Lippisches Kreuz für treue Dienste - Herzoglich Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse ??? - Bremisches Hanseatenkreuz - Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz - Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz - Fürstlich Lippisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse ??? - Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse ??? - Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz 2. Klasse mit Spange “Vor dem Feinde” - ??? (perhaps the Mecklenburg-Strelitz Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse?) Here is the list of his awards I compiled so far: -Pour le Mérite mit Eichenlaub am 23. 12. 1917 als Admiral à la suite und Kommandierender Admiral des Marine Korps Flandern -Pour le Mérite am 20. 10. 1915 als Admiral à la suite und Kommandierender Admiral des Marine Korps Flandern -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden I. Klasse mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern (03. 05. 1918) -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden I. Klasse (29. 08. 1910) -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub und mit dem Stern (05. 09. 1909) -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit dem Stern (19. 01. 1908) -Großkomturkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern -Komturkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit dem Stern -Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse -Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse -Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897 -Königlich Preußische Erinnerungszeichen zur Silbernen Hochzeit 1906 -China-Denkmünze in Bronze -Südwestafrika-Denkmünze (Class unknown) -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden III. Klasse mit der Schleife -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden III. Klasse -Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz -Ehrenkreuz I. Klasse des Fürstlichen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern -Königlich Bayerischer Militärverdienstorden I. Klasse mit Schwertern -Großkreuz des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit dem goldenem Stern und Schwertern -Großkreuz des Herzoglich Sachsen-Ernestinischen Hausordens mit Schwertern -Großkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Württembergischen Krone mit Schwertern -Herzoglich Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse -Bremisches Hanseatenkreuz -Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz -Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz -Großherzoglich Hessische Tapferkeitsmedaille -Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz II. Klasse -Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse mit Spange “Vor dem Feinde” -Herzoglich Sachsen-Meiningisches Kreuz für Verdienst im Kriege in Bronze -Fürstlich Schaumburg-Lippisches Kreuz für treue Dienste -Kommandeurkreuz des Portugiesischen Ritterordens von Avis -Kaiserlich Russischer St. Stanislaus-Orden II. Klasse -Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse des Königlich Schwedischen Schwertordens -Großkreuz des Königlich Spanischen Ordens für Verdienste zur See -Kaiserlich Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond -Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern

Thank you Laurentius. So, HOH2a is the Komturkreuz with Star and HOH2b is the Komturkreuz without the Star?

What is the difference between HOH2a and HOH2b?

Thank you guys for all the help! This is the first time I saw an officer wearing a neck decoration on his medal bar. Was this common? Because I thought that was against the regulations? Anyway, there is one more medal from his medal bar that needs to be ID'd. This would be the 4th medal (in between the Kriegsdenkmünze für die Feldzüge 1870–71 für Kämpfer (I believe?) and the Centenarmedaille). I'm pretty sure it's one of the Colonial medals. Do you have any ideas? Possibly the China or Kolonial Denkmünze? And what class is it if it's the China Denkmünze? The color of the medal suggests Bronze, but during the Boxer Rebellion he was first Chief of Staff of the Naval Station of the North Sea (01 October 1897-25 September 1900) and then Executive of the Nautical Department, Imperial Naval Office (26 September 1900-03 February 1903). So I would guess Stahl (Steel) for non-combatants?