Kriegsmarine Admiral

Does anyone know if Marinegeneralstabsarzt Dr. med. Paul Schmidt was awarded the EK I and EK II?

He was in active service until 24 May 1916.

Thanks!

Hello,

does anyone have a photo of Char. Marineobergeneralarzt Dr. med. Claudius Richelot (1863-1929)? There is no photo of him in the Volume III. of the "Deutschlands Admirale", page 113.

Thanks!

On 13/02/2021 at 19:08, Deutschritter said:

Herzoglich Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden, Ritterkreuz I. Klasse (HSEH3a/HSH3a)

Your source for this award? Also, for the Albrechts-Orden I have "mit Schwertern" (as visible on the first photo).

My list:

-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub, Schwertern und Stern (10. 09. 1890)
-Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit Schwertern und Stern (01. 11. 1889)
-Königlich Preußische Kriegsdenkmünze 1864 für Kämpfer
-Königlich Preußische Kriegsdenkmünze für die Feldzüge 1870–71 für Kämpfer
-Kolonial-Denkmünze mit Spange „Deutsch-Ostafrika 1888/89“
-Kaiserlich Türkische Goldene Medaille zur Erinnerung an den Besuch Kaiser Wilhelms II. 1889 in Konstantinopel
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden III. Klasse mit der Schleife
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Kaiserlich Türkischer Medschidié-Orden I. Klasse
-Orden des Strahlenden Sterns von Zanzibar II. Klasse, I. Stufe
-Komturkreuz I. Klasse des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit Schwertern
-Ritterkreuz I. Klasse des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens
-Königlich Großbritannischer Bath-Orden II. Klasse (Militärklasse)
-Großkreuz des Königlich Schwedischen Schwertordens
-k.u.k. Österreichischer Orden der Eisernen Krone I. Klasse
-Großkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Italien
-Großkreuz des Tunesischen Nischan-el-Iftikhar-Ordens
 

And a couple of photos:

Hello,

does anyone have a photo of Char. Marineobergeneralarzt Dr. med. Robert Martin (1864-1929)? There is no photo of him in the Volume II. of the "Deutschlands Admirale", page 437.

Thanks!

On 31/03/2020 at 15:15, Paul C said:

Below is the ribbon bar to Admiral Doctor med. Josef Freymadl. This is the first ribbon bar I ID its owner all by myself. Even Rick L. was not able to do the ID. Although I have sold almost all of my collection I held on to this piece.

Is the 2nd ribbon from the right the Bayerisches König Ludwig-Kreuz?

And was he awarded the Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges (2nd ribbon) with Swords or without Swords? Since he got the regular EK2 (and not the one on the white ribbon for non-combatants) he must have received the Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges mit Schwertern. But on your ribbon bar there is no Swords device? How is that?

Nice ribbon bar by the way!

43 minutes ago, BlackcowboyBS said:

Interesting, why did a german navy officer got a japanese decoration for the war against Russia in 1904 / 05? Does anybody has any clue?

Between 1902 and 1906, he was the German Naval Attaché in Tokyo.

Thank you guys!

What is the last medal on his medal bar? The clasp above it also seems to be a part of the medal. The second to last medal should be the Ritterkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Württembergischen Krone (WK3).

Between 1902 and 1906, Trummler was the Naval Attaché in Tokyo. Could this last medal be a Japanese medal of some sorts? Or is it a Jubilee/Coronation medal from some other country? For example Great Britain. Trummler was Commander of the British Royal Victorian Order (GV3).

Thanks!

2 hours ago, 1812 Overture said:

This is the Italian Crown Order (Grand Officer level)

But I have a question. If EK2 was issued in 1914, then Germany and Italy are belligerents, can they still wear enemy orders?

Italy entered the war on 23 May 1915. Tapke could have been awarded the EK2 before that date, and he would still be allowed to wear the Italian Crown Order until 23 May 1915.

39 minutes ago, Utgardloki said:

I am pretty sure it is the Crown of Italy grand officers cross

Thank you!

9 minutes ago, Alex K said:

3rd China denkmunze, 4th centenary medal

The last (5th) medal is the Centenary Medal.

Please help me ID the 3rd and 4th medals on his medal bar.

My guesses:

3rd medal: Königlich Preußische Kriegsdenkmünze für die Feldzüge 1870–71 für Kämpfer (although it is not listed for him in the 1904/05 and 1908/09 Deutscher Ordens-Almanach)

4th medal: China-Denkmünze, possibly in Stahl (for non-combatants) (he was in China between 1896 and 1898 as Commandant of the Protected Cruiser „Prinzeß Wilhelm“. This was before the outbreak of the Boxer Rebellion in November 1899, at which time he was the Commander of the II. Matrosen-Division)

Please tell me if you agree. Thanks!

What is the 2nd medal around the neck and the Breast Star? I believe they are the same order. 

To me it looks like the Orden der Krone von Italien, Großoffizierskreuz? Can anyone confirm?

Thanks!

Thank you guys for the confirmation!

Deutschritter, here are his promotion dates:

23.04.1878 Eintritt in die Marine als Kadett

14.06.1879 (P) Seekadett

17.01.1882 Unterleutnant zur See, Patentierung vorbehalten

16.11.1882 Patent als Unterleutnant zur See mit RDA. vom 17.12.1881 (O)

18.08.1885 Leutnant zur See

14.11.1892 (B) Kapitänleutnant

16.05.1899 Korvettenkapitän, Patentierung vorbehalten

16.07.1899 Patent als Korvettenkapitän mit RDA. vom 16.05.1899 (C)

27.01.1904 Fregattenkapitän

27.01.1905 (B) Kapitän zur See

27.01.1910 (A) Konteradmiral

15.11.1913 (A) Vizeadmiral

Does anyone know if Vizeadmiral Maximilian Graf von Spee was awarded the Iron Cross 1st and 2nd Class?

Thanks

10 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

Good morning, Kriegsmarine Admiral, I have a question about Hugo's Großkreuz (IV.) des Königlich Spanischen Ordens für Verdienste zur See ... I read in the Deutscher Ordens-Almanach (1908), that it was the SpVzS2, that would make it II. Klasse. A bit low for an Admiral. Could you please tell me, where you read Großkreuz? Thanks!

It says it was the Großkreuz in the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste.

1 hour ago, Deutschritter said:

One last, small question for Kriegsmarine Admiral: If Schützler was retired "mit dem Charakter als Konteradmiral (Ing.)" 1919 (depending on when), was he then officially considered a Konteradmiral  a. D. of the Kaiserliche Marine or rather a Konteradmiral a. D. of the Vorläufige Reichsmarine?

He retired on 23 May 1918. But his last rank was Marineoberchefingnieur (equivalent to the rank of Kapitän zur See) (from 13 July 1916). On 23 August 1919 he was "Rang als Konteradmiral (Ing.) verliehen". It doesn't say it was a Charakter rank, but it has to be, since he was retired for over a year when he got the rank. 

He would most certainly be considered Konteradmiral  a. D. of the Kaiserliche Marine. In my opinion, all officers that got promoted to admiral ranks until 1 January 1921 (when the Reichsmarine was officialy established) are considered Kaiserliche Marine admirals.

1 hour ago, demir said:

Hello,

It looks like the Turkish War Medal. You also mentioned it in your medal list (last award).

Best wishes

Thank you Demir. Yes, I mentioned it because I saw it on the photo. I just wanted to be sure if it's really the Ottoman War Medal.

3 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

If you have an exact birth- and deathdate I would be thankful ...!

For Adolf Schützler or Oskar von Truppel?

Here is for both:

Adolf Schützler (03 August 1860 in Bonn – 13 January 1932 in Aachen)

Oskar von Truppel (17 May 1854 in Katzhütte - 20 August 1931 in Berlin-Frohnau)

1 hour ago, Deutschritter said:

maybe he served on a German ship under Kaiserlicher Ottomanischer command? I couldn't find him in the Rangliste 1916, so maybe he was officially by the "Osmanische Kriegsmarine"?!

For the duration of the war he was the Fleet Engineer with the Command of the High Seas Fleet, then the High Seas Forces (30 March 1914-02 April 1918). He retired on 23 May 1918.

1 hour ago, Deutschritter said:

Is the last medal a Hanseatenkreuz?

Yes, it's the Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz.

Here is his list of awards:

-Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit Schwertern (02. 03. 1918)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse
-Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden III. Klasse
-Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden IV. Klasse
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Königlich Bayerischer Militärverdienstorden III. Klasse mit der Krone und Schwertern
-Offizierskreuz des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit Schwertern
-Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse
-Kaiserlich Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond

1 hour ago, Deutschritter said:

Do you happen to know more about von Truppel?

Regarding Truppel, I will send you a PM.

Is this the Ottoman War Medal (Harp Madalyası) he is wearing?

Thanks

On 23/11/2020 at 04:51, 91-old-inf-reg said:

The last cross on the medal bar is the Anhalt Friedrich Kreuz II klasse

Thank you!

Do you agree with the rest of my ID's of the medals that have the "???" at the end?

I updated Hugo's list of awards (see above). The correct date for his Stern zum KO2 is 18 January 1901. The November date is for Oscar.

Here is the list of Oscar von Schuckmann's awards and a photo:

-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub (18. 01. 1901)
-Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit dem Stern (09. 11. 1901)
-Königlich Preußische Kriegsdenkmünze für die Feldzüge 1870–71 für Kämpfer
-Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden III. Klasse mit der Schleife
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse
-Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden III. Klasse
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse des Großherzoglich Badischen Ordens vom Zähringer Löwen
-Ehrengroßkomturkreuz des Großherzoglich Oldenburgischen Haus- und Verdienstordens des Herzogs Peter Friedrich Ludwig
-Ehrenkomturkreuz des Großherzoglich Oldenburgischen Haus- und Verdienstordens des Herzogs Peter Friedrich Ludwig
-Kaiserlich Russischer St. Annenorden II. Klasse mit Brillanten
-Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse des Königlich Norwegischen Ordens des heiligen Olaf

I guess he then wasn't awarded the Stern to his RAO2mE. And the two dates listed for his KO2mSt both refer to the KO2. But only one date can be correct.

I just found the PDF of the Deutscher Ordens-Almanach 1904/05 you used for Hugo von Schuckmann.

Here, Schröder also doesn't have the Stern to his RAO2mE.

2 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

As to Hugo being Vizeadmiral zur Disposition (probably before WWI?!), I found that in the "Neues Adels-Portefeuille 1200 bis 1945", Oscar is listed as Konteradmiral zur Disposition. Maybe we can find out, where Oscar was born? If it were also Viecheln we could be pretty sure.

I guess this is the website of the "Neues Adels-Portefeuille 1200 bis 1945"? http://home.foni.net/~adelsforschung2/portefeuille08.htm

In this case, zur Disposition doesn't mean they were active after they retired (during WW1 for example). It means "Vizeadmiral zur Disposition" was their last rank and position.

In both their cases zur Disposition means "retired", since they weren't active after that. For example, Hugo von Schuckmann was "zur Disposition gestellt unter Verleihung des Charakters als Vizeadmiral" on 14 December 1901. Yes, zur Disposition meant that he could be used as Offizier z.D. if needed, but in his case, he wasn't used after 14 December 1901.

Regarding Oscar von Schuckmann, he was born on 25 May 1851 in Anklam, Pommern and died on 07 March 1920 in Kiel-Kitzeberg. Since he and Hugo weren't born in the same city, I'm not so sure they were brothers after all.

32 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

Gentlemen, no KO1 according to "Deutscher Ordens-Almanach" (1904) for Vizeadmiral z. D. Hugo von Schuckmann:

Why is the RAO2mE listed without the Stern here (from 1904) if we agreed he must've received it in 1901?