Kriegsmarine Admiral

Hello, does anyone know what this award (circled red) is? The man is Konteradmiral Clamor von Trotha.

I think it is the Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern, but other people I asked are not sure. So I'm seeking for a 2nd opinion.

I think it doesn't make sense it's a foreign award. The shape and look fits with the KVK1, only the Swords are not visible, but that may be because of the photo.

Looking at his ribbon bar, this is my ID of the ribbons:

- EK II
- KVK2x
- Anhalt Friedrich Kreuz
- Ehrenkreuz fur Frontkampfer
- Wehrmacht DA

If my ID of the ribbon bar is correct, I think the KVK1x is most probable.

Please share your opinions.

Hello,

The award date of his Deutsches Kreuz in Silber is unclear. 

Hildebrand/Henriot (Deutschlands Admirale) says the date is 28.05.1945

Horst Scheibert in the book "Band 2: Die Träger des Deutschen Kreuzes in Gold: Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, Waffen-SS und des Deutschen Kreuzes in Silber: Heer, Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, Waffen-SS" (published in 1984) also gives the date as 28.05.1945 Excerpt from the book below (first photo).

How is that possible? Even the Flensburg government surrendered by the 23rd of May. How is it possible that the award date is 28th of May? Who awarded Hamelau the medal itself? Did he even receive it? Was there a document? To me this date doesn't make sense.

Talking about this I found a few other examples of officers who were "awarded" the Deutsches Kreuz on 28.05.1945:

Berthold Huljus: Deutsches Kreuz in Gold on 28.05.1945 as Oberleutnant z.S. and Kommandant des Räumbootes "R 418", 2. Räumbootsflottille

Kurt Grundke: Deutsches Kreuz in Silber on 28.05.1945 as Kapitänleutnant (MN) in OKM 5 Seekriegsleitung

Searching the book on Google books gives 6 results with the award date of 28.05.1945 (but only 3 are shown, the 2 above + Hamelau's).

See here: https://books.google.hr/books?hl=hr&id=agZWAAAAYAAJ&dq=Die+Träger+des+Deutschen+Kreuzes+in+Gold%3A+Kriegsmarine%2C+Luftwaffe%2C+Waffen-SS+und+des+Deutschen+Kreuzes+in+Silber%3A+Heer%2C+Kriegsmarine%2C+Luftwaffe%2C+Waffen-SS&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=28.05.1945

There is another book by Bernd Gericke called "Die Inhaber des Deutschen Kreuzes in Gold, des Deutschen Kreuzes in Silber der Kriegsmarine und die Inhaber der Ehrentafelspange der Kriegsmarine" published in 1993.
The table of contents in the book has a chapter named "Verleihungen nach dem 08.05.1945" on 4 pages (see the 2nd photo below). If someone has the full book please post these 4 sites (239-243). Perhaps these pages explain the 28.05.1945 award dates. And also please check which award date is written for Hamelau in this book.

On the "Awardholders / unit" thread over on the Axis History Forum it says: https://forum.axishistory.com/search.php?keywords=hamelau&t=4033&sf=msgonly

"German Cross in Silver (2)
Hamelau, Hans, 28.05.1943, Konteradmiral (W), Inspekteur d. Marineabnahme"

I don't know if this info is correct or a typo (i.e. the year 1943 is wrong). What is the source for the year 1943?

1. If the date is indeed 28.05.1943, at that time period Hamelau was still a Kapitän zur See (W), he was promoted to Konteradmiral (W) on 01.06.1944
2. His position on 28.05.1943 was Kommandant des Marineartilleriezeugamts/Marineartilleriearsenals Kiel-Dietrichsdorf, he was the Inspekteur d. Marineabnahme from 05.10.1943
3. If he recevied the Deutsches Kreuz in Silber when he was still a Kapitän zur See (W) then why isn't he wearing it on the photo? On the photo he is already a Konteradmiral (W). If the date really is 28.05.1945 this would explain why he isn't wearing it on the photo.

Please comment on this issue below. Also if anyone knows the correct award date for Hamelau's Deutsches Kreuz in Silber please comment.
I hope someone can explain to me these examples of Deutsche Kreuzes being awarded after the capitulation of the Third Reich.
Thanks

Thanks once again Dave.

And please respond to my private message.

2 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

Hintzmann did not have the Centenary Medal. He was in the Crew of 1897, entering service in April 1897, too late for the Centenary Medal which was awarded on 22 April 1897.

The first three ribbons, as you guessed, are the EK2, HOH3X and MMV2. The last two are the Red Eagle with the barely visible Crown device and the Osmanieh. You're right that the foreign award is last. War awards precede peacetime awards, so the ribbon before the Red Eagle with swords is his Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer.

That leaves the two ribbons between the Mecklenburg award and the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer.  They are war awards but are not in the 1918 rank list, so they must have been awarded after that list was published. Most likely, based on their appearance, they are the Hesse Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen "Für Tapferkeit" and the Hamburg Hanseatenkreuz, but I cannot say for certain. 

Over on the Axis History forum, you said before he was also awarded the 1. Class of the Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz. Was that an error? Or do you have some other source? Because only the 2. Class is listed in the 1918 Rangliste. And I can't see he is wearing the 1. Class on any of the photos?

Thanks

Thank you Dave!

Does anyone know what this ribbon is? Vizeadmiral Günther Krause.

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Can someone please help me ID the awards from Hintzmann's ribbon bars?

Here is the list of his awards I have:

-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern (27. 10. 1917)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse 
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse mit der Krone
-Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897
-Kaiserlich Türkischer Osmanje-Orden IV. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz II. Klasse
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer    
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis II. Klasse
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern
 

1st ribbon bar: (I can see 8 ribbons, or is it 7?)

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
- Ritterkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern
- Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz II. Klasse ???
- ???
- Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897 ???
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer ???
- Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse mit der Krone ???
- Kaiserlich Türkischer Osmanje-Orden IV. Klasse or Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz ??? (since the foreign awards were always mounted at the end, perhaps it's the Osmanje-Orden)

2nd ribbon bar:

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse

- Ritterkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern

- ???

- ???

- ???

- ??? (with a Swords device)

- Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse mit der Krone ???

- Kaiserlich Türkischer Osmanje-Orden IV. Klasse or Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz ???

I will also include the full photos at the bottom.

Thanks

On 18/01/2019 at 20:38, 922F said:

4 & 5 = Hungarian Order of Merit [1922] 2nd class set -- can't tell but looks like civil division.  If there are swords in the cross angles, then military division.  Sash appears to be Bulgarian MMO lst class.

Thanks. Here is a better photo.

Unknown #3

Does anyone recognize this Konteradmiral? Or the place where the photos were taken?
The officer far left on the 3rd photo is Kapitän zur See (Ing.) Ernst Dorn, Kommandeur Kriegsschiffbaulehrabteilung für Unterseeboote Nord (6. Kriegsschiffbaulehrabteilung) (he can also be seen on the last photo, in the center).

Thanks

Hello,
does someone have the digital version of the 1927 Reichsmarine Rangliste?
That's the only one I'm missing. I can offer the others for exchange.
Feel free to contact me through personal messages here on the forum.
Thanks

On 12/11/2018 at 19:20, Flyingdutchman said:

Gentlemen,

looking for a photo of Friedrich Götting. 

http://www.oocities.org/~orion47/WEHRMACHT/KRIEGSMARINE/Vizeadmirals/GOETTING_FRIEDRICH.html

Anyone?

Thanks !

Best; 

Flyingdutchman

See above.

Unknown #1 (above) is Konteradmiral Walther Oehler.

Unknown #2

Does anyone recognize this Vizeadmiral?

Great! I can see that is the naval wound badge in gold? Is it confirmed his?

Thanks

48 minutes ago, 922F said:

1812 thank you for the above images!

The 4th funeral image depicts Keitel wearing what appears to be a St. Alexander star, maybe Grand Cross with swords through the center.  Conceivably, he received a St. Alexander in 1941-2 when he liaised closely with the Bulgarians during the Balkan Campaign.  That possibility leaves open what, if any, Bulgarian award with star he and Dönitz may have received at the funeral.  

Image 7 angle seems to show Dönitz with a Romanian Michael the Brave and pinback awards but in image 5 Dönitz does not appear to wear these.   Suspect that apparent image 7 awards actually relate to the Romanian officer in image 7 back standing behind and to left of Dönitz.   

These 3 photos show Grossadmiral Erich Raeder. I can't see Dönitz on any of the photos.

I doubt it. I think the naval wound badge makes the most sense. He was wounded in WW1 after all.

Looff wasn't active in WW2. He retired in 1922. And he was Placed at the disposal of the Kriegsmarine without being mobilised on 24 May 1939.

I highly doubt he would get the anti-partisan badge.

Thank you guys. Would you say the wound badge is the black or silver version?

42 minutes ago, Eric Stahlhut said:

cut-out naval wound badge?

How does a cut-out naval wound badge look like?

What's this award of Char. Vizeadmiral Max Looff?

2 hours ago, P.F. said:

Depends when he was awarded it and his rank at that time.

On the only photo of him I have, he is not yet wearing the ribbon of the Bulgarian Order of Military Merit. On that photo he is a Konteradmiral. So he had to recieve it either as Konteradmiral or Vizeadmiral.

Hello. Can you please help me identify the awards of Vizeadmiral Lamprecht from his ribbon bar.

I am most interested in the foreign awards in the second row.

His list of awards I have:

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse 
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (1918)
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer    
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse
-Kriegsabzeichen für Minensuch-, U-Boots-Jagd- und Sicherungsverbände 

My ID of the ribbon bar:

First row:
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse mit 1939 Spange
- Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz 
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung III. Klasse
- ??? (not visible unfortunately)

Second row:
- ??? (rosette device)
- ??? (rosette device)
- Großoffizierskreuz des Königliche Orden der Krone von Italien (I was told this is the ribbon on another forum)

Thanks

Here is another photo. Does it confirm it is the Order of Savoy?

52 minutes ago, 922F said:

Although image quite blurred, agree with Eddie & Paul.  Not at all likely the few other awards having a similar shape/color like Bulgar Civil Merit or Manchukuo Auspicious Clouds.

Are the other two gents Italians?

They are Italians yes.

58 minutes ago, Taz said:

I think it is the Commander's Cross of the Military Order of Savoy.  

Regards Eddie

Thanks.

Could it also be the Commander's Cross of the Order of the Saints Maurice and Lazarus?

Hello. Can someone tell me what is this Italian neck award worn by Karl Dönitz? And what class of the award?

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