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I recently bought this set. The cross is nice but definitely post WW1. It is not a variant that I own so I am happy to add it to the collection.

But... like a little kid, I just wanted to play with the box!

All four are in great condition!

I was rearranging some of my collection and regrouping newer purchases with old parts of the collection and thought that I would update this old thread. I have added a cross like Rudi shows in his post. They seem to be different versions of the same award. My mounted one does not have the crown so I am wondering if it is a post 1918 version where the other would be pre 1918.

830S marked version.

I have added it to my Freikorps case. I know you are a collector of variants of different awards and I like to do the same. Oddly this is my only one on a ribbon. Thanks for the confirmation!

Here is a cross that is in my collection. Definitely two piece construction and it seems fairly standard from the front. The odd thing is the marking on the back - 830S. The internet tells me this is a Norwegian silver marking. With so many companies making these in Germany I can’t imagine that Norway had to make some too. Is this a known variant of does it go in my box of shame?

Thanks in advance!

Great to see your armband. I have seen three different ones. Mine, ones like yours with the typical ribbon colors of the Wurttemburg Civil verdienstorden and one with the colors of the Wurttemburg crown orders. As mine is one the tri color band would it be one of the last ones made? Is yours numbered? Thanks!

Nice old timer there! Love the mini clasps.

I have a couple Jugendwehr items in my collection and I am looking for more information about them. From what I gather they were a more military oriented “Boy Scouts”. They seem to be the predecessor of the HJ. I believe that these items are Weimar period and this is the reason I posted them here. I found a similar armband in the Freikorps Insignia book. Are there any good articles out there about them, any advanced collectors of these items?

the armband it heavy and well constructed with three closing snaps. It is numbered inside by stamping behind the shield. If you have additional items please post them!

You have to take the long term approach to collecting. I’m not sure why I looked again but I am glad I did!

I’ve never really understood the awarding of these crosses. It seems like it was a general merit medal that could be given to just about anyone. I only have silver in my collection and thay are to old timer Prussians.

This is a very nice bar. I do not even see many 20 landwehr crosses pop up for sale.

After 15 years...

Absolutely!

Hello,

 I have become interested in this medal as I have recently acquired an example that I cannot find a similar example of. In reading it seems like these were awarded approximately 12,000 times and there were 520 made in bronze. I see the typical bronze medals almost everywhere. eBay in the US usually has two or three and every dealer with any Imperial stock seems to have one. They are everywhere and for only 520 having been made it just doesn’t make sense that these can be the original 520. The balance ~ (11,500) seem to be made of zinc and differ in design. I see these about 25% as often as the bronze. I was able to purchase some items out of an old collection and a version of this medal was there that I have not seen before. As I am an optimist I bought this for a very reasonable price hoping that this may be one of the original 520. Now, I am coming to the group to see if I can learn more about these awards. 
The first photo is from a dealers sales page and shows one of the typical bronze pieces for sale.

Here is one of the much harder  to find zinc made pieces.

Finally the odd one I purchased out of the old collection. Are there others like this out there? 

That covers awards and is very helpful. Now a follow up question- how could one get long service awards from two different states? I have noticed a couple bars like this and was always suspicious of them!

Very nice! An all cross bar.

On 28/06/2020 at 15:00, Wild Card said:

Hi Chet!

According to the fantastic and just released book “Die Order und Ehrenzeichen des Herzogtums Braunschweig von 1696 bis 1918” by Stephan Schwarz, we find that von Rüdgisch was awarded the knight’s first class cross of the Order of Henry the Lion in 1899; and at that time he held the post of Major Cavallerie Instructteur der Türkischen Armee. Another piece of the picture.

Best wishes,

Wild Card

Thanks Chris!

Very nice piece!

392 awards of this cross.

Roman- great bar. I visited your page when I first brought this home. Great resource for collectors!

Here is a simple little bar I picked up at OMSA this past summer. Sometimes I see a bar like this and it just speaks to me.

Should I flip the first medal? I know it is technically backwards.

Paul,

 There was a post on it but it kind of wandered a bit so I started a new one.

The research gnomes did it again!

To all my fellow colleagues here I would like to show the happily reunited set of medal and ribbon bar that was recently discussed. Many thanks to those that posted and a very special thank you to Daniel and Colin for making this possible.

Love the enamel ribbon bars! 

Thanks! I didn’t realize this thread had life.

The Baltic Cross is not marked but it is a two part constructed piece.