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Here is a rare Bavarian ribbon bar from a military-merit-medal-holder from 1866.
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As an example here two MVK 1 class with swords from Leser, on the left with a gold medallion and on the right with a gold-plated medallion. Visible at the lower, wider edge of the cross arm. As you can see, an MVK also has this feature, which has no enamelled cross arms and therefore nothing can be damaged. Many greetings Walter
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Here we have two pieces by Gebrüders Hemmerle of Munich. On the left we have an early piece with gold medaillon and on the right is a late piece with silver medaillon. The lower arm has a smaller patch of enamel on the backside for protection.
Servus Laurentius,
That is not right. The widened lower edge is intended to indicate that all golden parts are only gold-plated. The same widened rim can also be found on MVKs 1st class, among others. These pieces were all made from 1917 onwards.Walter
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Servus, it was in my collection for a very long time. Then I sold it a few years agoThe Luitpold medal is, as already written, a "Spangenexemmplar". The bar came into my collection as it is. It is possible, that the Luitpold medal had fallen off and a clasp was attached. With the ribbons there are always colors that do not match the original colors 100%. Even so, this buckle is fitting in my eyes.0 -
Servus, it was once in my collection for a very long time. Congratulations on this beautiful buckle.0 -
Servus, unfortunately I don't know the name. He probably got a job in the public service after 1866. When allocating these vacancies, bayTM owner were given preference. Many greetings Walter0 -
observed very well. It is a bayTM award for 1866. He was not there in 1870/71.Here are the matching miniatures.
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Marcus, I think it's not a fake but a piece after 1918. The manufacturer should be Leser.
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Servus Alex,
the case has only a blind embossed line at the top and has no hinge but only a strip of linen. The jobs were shared by Quellhorst and Hausinger. The cases are identical except for the manufacturer's name in the lid. Above you can see a Quellhorst Cross of Merit in a Hausinger case. Here I have added a Quellhorst case. If I can still remember that, around 1200 crosses have been awarded. Best wishes Walter
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Servus, I mean that the cross has been upgraded. The front medallion does not look originally enamelled. Better pictures of the VS medallion would be helpful. I wouldn't want it. There are better pieces. Best wishes Walter1 -
Hello Lucky,As previously written, all golden parts or crosses that were made of gold were only made of gold-plated silver from 1917 onwards. Also the MVO 3rd class.It is important that the flames of the MVO 3rd class are used separately, i.e. not included in the casting. This does not apply to the 4th grade !!! If you are offered a 3rd class MVO, silver gold-plated, always look at the flames to see whether they were also used later. This also applies to the higher classes. I hope that I have now understood your question correctly and that you are satisfied with my answer. Best wishes Walter
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Servus Lucky, I do not understand your question completely. The MVO was originally donated in 5 classes in 1866. Namely the Grand Cross, the Grand Commander, the Commander, the Knights 1. These crosses had flames between the arms of the cross. Knight 2nd class as well as military merit cross, these without flames between the arms of the cross. Another class, the Officer's Cross, was created in 1900. This was available with and without flames between the arms of the cross. In terms of ranking, this officer's cross was classified between the Commander's Cross and Knight 1. Until then, all classes up to knight 2 were made in gold, the medallions of the Military Cross of Merit were also made in gold. At the end of 1905 this classification was reorganized. Grand Cross, 1st class, 2nd class with and without a star, 3rd class and 4th class with and without a crown as well as the Military Merit Cross 1st and 2nd class. From 1905 (until the end of 1916) all classes up to 3rd grade were gold, 4th grade silver with gold medallions on the front and back. From the end of 1913, the Military Cross of Merit was donated in 3 classes with and without a crown. The 1st class had real gold medallions on the front until 1916. From 1917 all classes and medallions made in gold were made in gold-plated silver. A little difficult and extensive. I'll try to make this classification clearer soon.With friendly greetings
Walter
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Hello everyone, I am surprised that these books are so sought after. I have duplicated volumes 1 - 6 and put them up for sale as a package for sale in a German forum. There wasn't a single demand for it. Volume 1 is particularly sought after. As far as I know, the 7th volume is still available in bookshops. I still remember that I was looking for the first volume for a long time and paid double the original price.One can see how diverse the demand for these excellent volumes is.Many greetings Walter0 -
Oh sorry, my english is not good and the google translator may have translated it incorrectly. Ich frage ihn mal.Did the Peuße get a Bavarian award?0 -
I know someone who has access to all awards of the MVO and MVK. He didn't find a Kahle. I also have to go back to the VOBl. 1914 to 1920 checked. No Kahle is mentioned here either.0 -
Servus Chris, the IR 51 was probably not a Bavarian regiment. Between 1914 and 1920 I did not find any MVK 1, 2 or 3 awarded to "Kahle". Also no award to a non-Bavarian.0 -
Hello Chris, I have now checked again, a "Kahle" did not receive any MVK in WWI. No matter what first name. How sure will it be that the above-mentioned "Kahle" is really shown in the picture?0 -
I forgot, Hemmerle VS-medallions in 1st grade were always made in three parts like an MVO.
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Servus from Bavaria, actually I don't want to depress the positive mood but I'm not that enthusiastic about the MVK 1 with the crown and swords. This is an MVK from the manufacturer Deschler. MVK 1 Kr. X were only made by the manufacturers Hemmerle and Leser. There is only one early form of this rare MVK per manufacturer. I am showing the originals of the award, which has only been given 146 times. 8 of them only existed on the war ribbon. 138 were warded on the so-called "Beamtenband", the ribbon for war merit. Originals only have to look like this, so only like this! The VS medallions were made of gold. There was no gold-plated silver. The manufacturing quality of the 1st grade was significantly better than that of the 2nd and 3rd grades. The MVKs were specially well gilded, maybe even fire gilded, and the edges were reworked. The enamel of particularly high quality.
The cases were lined in red, only the manufacturer's markings in the lid were different.Bild 1 = Etui Leser Bild 2 = Medaillon Leser Bild 3 = Etui Hemmerle Bild 4 = MVK Leser Bild 5 = MVK Hemmerle Now the cautious question, where did you get the information that Kahle had a 1st class crown swords? Many greetings Walter
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Servus, it comes from Johann Goldfuß. Many greetings Walter
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Servus Christophe
Its realy a nice set.
Many greetings
Walter
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Bayern MVK 3rd class opinions needed
in Germany: Imperial: The Orders, Decorations and Medals of The Imperial German States
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It is a Bavarian military merit cross 3rd class with swords from the time of the 1st World War. The cross is from the manufacturer Deschler Munich and the case from the manufacturer Hemmerle Munich. It could have been swapped at the award ceremony or someone later put the cross in a case. You can no longer tell. Both pieces are original and are worth around 50 euros.