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Hi,

I think, that the name is Jastel. It can be the last name or a nickname. For me there is no "k" and no "b" in the name.

Uwe

Hi nubiris,

it is German, Freikorps, Roßbach-Kreuz 1.Klasse.

http://freikorps.net/orden.htm

Uwe

Hi Chris,

Am 2.9.16 an Starrkrampf gestorben (Wundstarrkrampf > tetanus)

Uwe

Mein Vater konnte noch Pommersch Platt, meine Eltern legten aber Wert darauf, daß wir Kinder Hochdeutsch sprachen.

Es ist uns, überwiegend aufgewachsen in Niedersachsen, halbwegs gelungen. Jahrelange Aufenthalte in anderen (westdeutschen) Ländern ermöglichen mir aber auch den Austausch in Bayerisch und Hessisch. Ostfriesisch sollte hier aber nicht zugelassen werden.

Uwe

Ruhrpottler,

Knebel zur Schneckenwelle oder Geländewinkel-Libelle > Toggle for worm shaft or terrain angle spirit level

Uwe

Hi,

"a lovely cloth version of the Mongolian pre-1961 enamel ribbon for the Order of the Red Banner"

Please see here another version on a bar of a Marshal of the Sovietunion:

Uwe

Hi,

I think, that it was in use for cables at short distances. Please see here:

https://www.multi-board.com/board/index.php?thread/83292-frage-zu-handkabelroller-kabelhaspel/

http://der-fernmelder.de/zubehoer-nachrichtentechnik/kabeltrommel-handabroller/

Uwe

Hi Walle,

look for Czechoslovakia "Schützenabzeichen Gewehr"

Uwe

Hi Bayern,

"Many people in Austria viewed the societies like Schlaraffia ,as proto masonic"

I don't think that. These are complete different societies, and especially in Austria a lot of people know the differences.

Freemasonry is a serious and secretive activity of its members, a closed society.

The members of the Schlaraffia do not take themselves seriously, and humour is one of their basic statements. Anyone can attend their meetings as a guest. The members are a little bit crazy, but in a very pleasant and friendly way. They use crazy names, and they give some crazy awards and titles. It is very difficult, to translate these names, awards and titles.

For Example: Name "Prassel, das phonetische Wunder"; awards are e.g. Hausorden, Elefantenorden, Hosenbandorden, Großursippenorden; titles are e.g. "Heidjer mit Blitz und Hagel", "Markgraf am Hofe der Nibelungen", "Edler von Utkiek" and several other curious awards and titles.

Uwe

Hi,

that is the third prize in a shooting competition at a shooting club (Schützenverein), after shooting at the bird or at a special target. The second price is the "1. Ritter", the first price is the man with the champion shot (Schützenkönig).

See for example here, the three persons in the middle are the 1. Ritter, the Schützenkönig and the 2. Ritter

Schützenkönig und 1. und 2. Ritter

Uwe

Post War BND

Hi Vince,

it is an interesting and impressive group for a man with a low military and civilian rank.

Military service since 1895, highest rank "Gefreiter" (private), first in the regular army, and 12 years later in the Landwehr (Gefreiter der Landwehr)

His first postal rank "Postschaffner" is comparatively > Gefreiter. His next and last rank as Oberpostschaffner is comparatively > Obergefreiter/Hauptgefreiter (Corporal).

Such a mixed lot is as interesting as that of a non-commissioned officer or of an officer.

Uwe

Hi Vince,

it is a higher rank in the lowest Prussian/German regulations (rank group). Compared with a military rank it is a higher EM (Mannschaftsdienstgrad):

And that for 40 years!

Uwe

Hi,

It could be an older decoration of the Schlaraffia Reych No. 239 "An der Leuben" (Leoben).

You can find this motif on several badges and decorations of this Reych, partly combined with an eagle owl (Uhu), e.g.:

Reych 239

But I cannot find it in an extensive Schlaraffia directory and not in the internet presence of the Reych 239.

Uwe

That is the date of the award, but it is not compulsorily the date of the completion of the certificate.

Uwe

Hi,

it should be Oberstleutnant Friedrich Müller, commander of the regiment from 17.03.1915 - 30.07.1917

Uwe

Hi,

turn it around 180°, and you can see an Obermaat (side length 5,3cm) or an Oberbootsmann (side length 4,5cm) of the early German Bundesmarine, worn on different places on the sleeve, in different sizes. Based on the size here I think, that it is for an Obermaat.

Uwe

Hi ixhs,

and why not Ernst Schneider? Both are located in Lüdenscheid, nearby.

Hi demir,

"Ernst Schneider, Lüdenscheid and Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid had different pins and therefore they have to be recognised from their pins."

Really?

I have my doubts, that Schneider (or Schmidthäußler) are makers.´.

Uwe

Hi Rusty,

it is really confusing. Different sources, different results.

I've combined your source with the picture in the Portuguese language Wikipedia:

The row in the middle from Wikipedia is concordant with the international way of distinguishing the different grades of orders on miniature ribbons; see parallel the French Légion d’honneur. Must we differentiate between a ribbon with the miniature hanging on it, and a ribbon on a ribbon bar without the miniatures; or as miniature without the miniature ribbon. See my two 3rd class pieces:

Will we ever have a final result?

Uwe

Hi,

"The rosette shown in Uwe's 21 January, 2017 post looks just like that shown in the Condecoraciones de Venezuela website section on ribbons for the 2nd class award."

The horizontal ribbon band in silver is for the 3rd class. For the 2nd class it is half gold and half silver, for the 1st class it is in gold.

Uwe

Hi John,

I don't understand that: "As the badge in question is of the 1957 design, ..."

This piece is not a 1957er decoration, and such copies had been made several years before the law from 1957 (and of course after 1957).

Uwe

Hi,

I don't understand the connection with: "made in 1957". It could be an original or a copy/reproduction/fake. If it is a copy, it could be made in 1953 or 1960. Such a piece have nothing to do with the 1957er decorations, if is meant that.

Uwe

Hi,

yes, there are many variations! And there are many different descriptions; some are wrong.

You can see here a complete set 3. Class (Commander). It is cased, and bottom left you can see the inscription on the case for the 3rd class. On the ribbon of the miniature you can see the added star:

Miniatures of the 4th class (Officer) and the 5th class (Knight) cannot be a star, because the 4th and the 5th class don't have a star. The miniature ribbon of the 5th class should be without any added part, and the 4th class should have the rosette on it.

In Post 1 we can see in the middle a 4th class in a very special design with diamonds. The miniature in Post 8 must be a 4th class too, based on all the other decorations there.

But please, there are many variations!

Uwe

Hi,

and I think, that the mystery is not complete solved.

The source is the book from Maximilian Gritzner, edited 1893. There you can see the bust facing to the right.

Uwe

Hi Chris,

here is a simple EK 2 document, not preliminary, only "Ausweis". "... ist ... im Besitz ..."

Awarded 22. September 1918, document from 2. Oktober 1918.

Interesting for a documentation?

Uwe

Hi,

My personal opinion: "Echte Auflage" means here, that the additions as the half moon and the letter band are in (genuine) silver, or they are at least (genuine) silver plated.

Uwe